Time scale of massacre:

[killingeve]

With respect, I think you need to read the other thread.

Which other thread?

[Rob_]

He doesn't want any forensic trail left, such as the taping of the telephone conversation between himself and police. Remember he insisted on the cremation of his parents, which would have been expressly against his mother's wishes.

Ok so he does not want a recorded 999 call that's the first time I have read that anywhere, why does he not phone Julie directly before or after ringing the Police, her first WS did say 3.30?

[killingeve]

Could you cycle the distance after completing 17hrs field work, harvesting ?

Where do you get 17 hours from? 

[lookout]

Where do you get 17 hours from?

From when JB began the rape harvesting early morning until around 9pm when he had a sandwich at WHF.

[Steve_uk]

Which other thread?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.135.html

[Jane]

From when JB began the rape harvesting early morning until around 9pm when he had a sandwich at WHF.

For the life of me I can't see him getting up around 3.30, but he had a lovely new all singing, all dancing tractor to sit in when he got there. Imagine how boring that would be, even for someone who loved farming!!!

[Steve_uk]

Ok so he does not want a recorded 999 call that's the first time I have read that anywhere, why does he not phone Julie directly before or after ringing the Police, her first WS did say 3.30?

He claimed he couldn't remember the order of the calls. He changed his story twice. He couldn't remember because there was no call from his father at all: after murdering five and returning to Bourtree Cottage to clean up he then initiated the telephone calls. On Monday 9 September 1985 under interrogation he eventually reverted to his original statement that he first telephoned Chelmsford Police, then Julie.

[Steve_uk]

Ok so he does not want a recorded 999 call that's the first time I have read that anywhere, why does he not phone Julie directly before or after ringing the Police, her first WS did say 3.30?

I'm not sure I understand the question.

[Rob_]

I'm not sure I understand the question.

Sorry Steve, I was asking Adam for his reasoning for saying in his post that JB called Julie at 3.15 then waited until 3.26/3.36 to phone the Police. Although Julie in her first WS said JB called a 3.30

Why did Adam state the times he quoted in his post and what did JB gain by waiting if he did delay?

I was hoping Adam would elaborate.

[Steve_uk]

Sorry Steve, I was asking Adam for his reasoning for saying in his post that JB called Julie at 3.15 then waited until 3.26/3.36 to phone the Police. Although Julie in her first WS said JB called a 3.30

Why did Adam state the times he quoted in his post and what did JB gain by waiting if he did delay?

I was hoping Adam would elaborate.

There was a delay when Jeremy returned home after commiting five murders because he had to clean himself up and change his clothes. He knew he wouldn't be forensically examined by police that first morning but he had reckoned on Ann Eaton's meddling as he saw it, which is why he tried several attempts to get her onside in the preceding months.

As far as the call at Julie's end at Caterham Road was concerned it was the middle of the night and there was a suspicion that Julie and her flatmates had been smoking cannabis the previous evening and were unaware of the exact time. I think they settled on 3:15 am after a discussion with Susan Battersby and Douglas Dale.

[Roch]

He knew he wouldn't be forensically examined by police..

He can't know this Steve. Nor could he know in advance that he wouldn't receive a single injury while carrying out the killings. He also can't know in advance that Julie will stay quiet, if he allows their relationship to end.

[Jane]

He can't know this Steve. Nor could he know in advance that he wouldn't receive a single injury while carrying out the killings. He also can't know in advance that Julie will stay quiet, if he allows their relationship to end.

I'm inclined to agree, Roch. We label him with much, but I don't believe mind-reader can be added to ther list. As in life, there are times when we simply have to trust to luck. I think, by the time he and Julie were no longer 'an item' he was confident that she wouldn't spill the beans. Hadn't he offered to set her up in a wine bar? Perhaps he thought it would be sweetener enough?

[Steve_uk]

He can't know this Steve. Nor could he know in advance that he wouldn't receive a single injury while carrying out the killings. He also can't know in advance that Julie will stay quiet, if he allows their relationship to end.

He's primed police with his story. Upon entry they find a schizophrenic young woman with a rifle across her body and a rifle on the floor. He's hardly going to be arrested on the spot.

[Roch]

He's primed police with his story. Upon entry they find a schizophrenic young woman with a rifle across her body and a rifle on the floor. He's hardly going to be arrested on the spot.

You've put the rifle in two places. Was that a Freudian slip based upon the disagreement behind the scenes?

[lookout]

There was a delay when Jeremy returned home after commiting five murders because he had to clean himself up and change his clothes. He knew he wouldn't be forensically examined by police that first morning but he had reckoned on Ann Eaton's meddling as he saw it, which is why he tried several attempts to get her onside in the preceding months.

As far as the call at Julie's end at Caterham Road was concerned it was the middle of the night and there was a suspicion that Julie and her flatmates had been smoking cannabis the previous evening and were unaware of the exact time. I think they settled on 3:15 am after a discussion with Susan Battersby and Douglas Dale.

Steve, there was a gun dog present with one of the officers and the animal would certainly have sniffed out gun residue on JB, even from underneath fingernails but the dog wasn't interested in him so no matter what clothes were worn or how many showers JB had, there'd have been a trace somewhere on his person to pick up on---but there wasn't, because he hadn't been involved.