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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2021, 07:13:PM »
Steve, I think you need to take this on board. The points are well made. You are at your best when you refer to testimony that portrays Jeremy Bamber in a bad light. Even a JB supporter has to take some of that in to account when considering how JB may have come to be where he is, or even whether he may have had some involvement. Likewise, figures like Colin are not sacrosanct within the context of a JB innocent scenario. JB himself is obviously an extremely wronged man, in an innocent scenario. It might not be a context that you are willing to consider - but you should.
It's posting pictures which legitimize a convicted mass murderer by the back door. There is no justification whatsoever for a photograph of David Gwillam on a thread where Jeremy Bamber has boasted a few hours previously that he had just killed five.

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2021, 07:29:PM »
Oh but Mr. Q C C hevalier believes Jeremy Bamber to be 96% guilty even on a bad day. I suggest to you that were I to post a picture of Peter Sutcliffe holding a hammer in a prison workshop, or Myra Hindley dancing the Loco-motion or deciding unilaterally that Dennis Nilsen might have played Prince Andrew in some television adaptation of the latter's life members might just have something to gripe about.


Likewise I believe Julie Mugford is a liar and made up the stories. She has lied on numerous previous occasions and there is no forensic evidence pointing to Jeremy being the killer
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2021, 07:33:PM »
It's posting pictures which legitimize a convicted mass murderer by the back door. There is no justification whatsoever for a photograph of David Gwillam on a thread where Jeremy Bamber has boasted a few hours previously that he had just killed five.

I have not done this.

Oh but Mr. Q C C hevalier believes Jeremy Bamber to be 96% guilty even on a bad day. I suggest to you that were I to post a picture of Peter Sutcliffe holding a hammer in a prison workshop, or Myra Hindley dancing the Loco-motion or deciding unilaterally that Dennis Nilsen might have played Prince Andrew in some television adaptation of the latter's life members might just have something to gripe about.

I don't recall discussing any of the people you mention (other than Jeremy Bamber, obviously) and I wasn't suggesting that Jeremy Bamber should play a role in a TV adaptation or dance to the latest hit by Kylie Minogue.  That is not even close to what I was driving at in my post.  In fact, I was talking about a Jeremy Bamber that does not exist.  I am disappointed that I have to explain this so explicitly.  Again, as I said above, I like to assume I am among intelligence and reasonable adults.

With respect, your objections to what I post are not a reflection of anything that has been posted by myself or anybody else here.  Rather, they reflect things going on in your own head, which I must respectfully suggest you seek out somebody you trust to discuss with.

I'm afraid I also don't agree with Roch's appeasement of you.  I think the Forum has to decide on its direction in the coming year.  Are we going to have a situation where, in order to appease Steve, people have to add append new posts and threads with numerous disclaimers and explanations to prevent misunderstandings, as well as reassurances for sensitive people who find other people's opinions and views on the case offensive?

It is becoming rather silly.

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2021, 07:39:PM »
I have not done this.

I don't recall discussing any of the people you mention (other than Jeremy Bamber, obviously) and I wasn't suggesting that Jeremy Bamber should play a role in a TV adaptation or dance to the latest hit by Kylie Minogue.  That is not even close to what I was driving at in my post.  In fact, I was talking about a Jeremy Bamber that does not exist.  I am disappointed that I have to explain this so explicitly.  Again, as I said above, I like to assume I am among intelligence and reasonable adults.

With respect, your objections to what I post are not a reflection of anything that has been posted by myself or anybody else here.  Rather, they reflect things going on in your own head, which I must respectfully suggest you seek out somebody you trust to discuss with.

I'm afraid I also don't agree with Roch's appeasement of you.  I think the Forum has to decide on its direction in the coming year.  Are we going to have a situation where, in order to appease Steve, people have to add append new posts and threads with numerous disclaimers and explanations to prevent misunderstandings, as well as reassurances for sensitive people who find other people's opinions and views on the case offensive?

It is becoming rather silly.
You were speculating on how a convicted mass murderer might have turned out had he been given acting lessons. I've already told you that fees at Gresham's are £12000 per annum. He had all the opportunities money could buy and made a complete mess of his life.

Stick to the Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion, or start a thread on another section of the site if you wish to discuss David Gwillam's acting prowess or the innocence of sub-postmasters.

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2021, 07:43:PM »
I have not done this.

I don't recall discussing any of the people you mention (other than Jeremy Bamber, obviously) and I wasn't suggesting that Jeremy Bamber should play a role in a TV adaptation or dance to the latest hit by Kylie Minogue.  That is not even close to what I was driving at in my post.  In fact, I was talking about a Jeremy Bamber that does not exist.  I am disappointed that I have to explain this so explicitly.  Again, as I said above, I like to assume I am among intelligence and reasonable adults.

With respect, your objections to what I post are not a reflection of anything that has been posted by myself or anybody else here.  Rather, they reflect things going on in your own head, which I must respectfully suggest you seek out somebody you trust to discuss with.

I'm afraid I also don't agree with Roch's appeasement of you.  I think the Forum has to decide on its direction in the coming year.  Are we going to have a situation where, in order to appease Steve, people have to add append new posts and threads with numerous disclaimers and explanations to prevent misunderstandings, as well as reassurances for sensitive people who find other people's opinions and views on the case offensive?

It is becoming rather silly.


Well, as I see it, we all have a choice, don't we. Either all those who have given offence could leave, or all those who claim offence has been given them could leave. 'Course, some of us do both. WE can eithr put up and shut up or make more use of the ignore button. Sadly, I fear such might mean we end up, as ngb said earlier, with only three people posting. Boring, eh?.............and rather silly.

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2021, 07:55:PM »

Likewise I believe Julie Mugford is a liar and made up the stories. She has lied on numerous previous occasions and there is no forensic evidence pointing to Jeremy being the killer
Jackie at least I know where you and lookout stand and I expect most of what you're going to write. But how do you deal with someone who thinks Jeremy Bamber is 96% guilty on a bad day yet he's not a predator?

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2021, 08:24:PM »
The damn clock was the property of JB's in the run up to his trial. It had obviously gone through probate so what's the problem ?

Damn clock being the operative words!  Ghastly imo.  If it doesn't fit the following it should be binned!

Scandinavian interior design is a minimalistic style using a blend of textures and soft hues to make sleek, modern décor feel warm and inviting. It emphasizes clean lines, utility, and simple furnishings that are functional, beautiful, and cozy.

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2021, 08:27:PM »
Damn clock being the operative words!  Ghastly imo.  If it doesn't fit the following it should be binned!

Scandinavian interior design is a minimalistic style using a blend of textures and soft hues to make sleek, modern décor feel warm and inviting. It emphasizes clean lines, utility, and simple furnishings that are functional, beautiful, and cozy.

And don't collect dust!!!

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2021, 08:42:PM »
And don't collect dust!!!

Exactly!!!

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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2021, 09:01:PM »
And don't collect dust!!!

Maybe that's why it was kept in a suitcase.

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2021, 09:10:PM »
Maybe that's why it was kept in a suitcase.


Was once a time when I'd have loved a piece of Meissen, but the ornamental and delicate has now given way to the practical. I'm not surprised it was kept in a suitcase. Housekeepers can be notoriously clumsy, and little fingers endlessly inquisitive!!!

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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2021, 11:43:PM »
You were speculating on how a convicted mass murderer might have turned out had he been given acting lessons. I've already told you that fees at Gresham's are £12000 per annum. He had all the opportunities money could buy and made a complete mess of his life.

Stick to the Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion, or start a thread on another section of the site if you wish to discuss David Gwillam's acting prowess or the innocence of sub-postmasters.


Well, as I see it, we all have a choice, don't we. Either all those who have given offence could leave, or all those who claim offence has been given them could leave. 'Course, some of us do both. WE can eithr put up and shut up or make more use of the ignore button. Sadly, I fear such might mean we end up, as ngb said earlier, with only three people posting. Boring, eh?.............and rather silly.

Jackie at least I know where you and lookout stand and I expect most of what you're going to write. But how do you deal with someone who thinks Jeremy Bamber is 96% guilty on a bad day yet he's not a predator?

Steve and Jane seem to think they should decide what should be posted about the case to the Forum and that anybody whose views about the case offend them or differ from theirs should be attacked and insulted without recourse, and have their posts removed and potentially be banned. If I protest about being insulted, then I am 'sensitive' and a 'cry baby', or whatever.  According to Jane, I need to "put up or shut up" or something like that.  No mention is made that the Forum Rules forbid all this.

Steve seems a bit puzzled by anybody who takes a view about the case that doesn't fit into a neat pre-conceived box.  He demands that I declare my allegiance to one flag or the other and start screeching about how Jeremy is innocent as the pure driven snow, or an irredeemable monster.

I must admit, I am not entirely clear what point Steve and Jane really are making in these posts, or what their posts have to do with what I actually said in the opening post to the thread, or indeed what they are trying to achieve here, but the above seems to be - more or less - the effect of what they are saying and doing, albeit they do make exceptions now and then.  Steve reassures JackieD that at least he knows where she stands, and although Lookout has harsher things than I to say about Colin, she doesn't receive the same treatment.  He just doesn't like me - and I should put up with being attacked, insulted and abused, according to Jane.

Steve did also say earlier that if his demands about how the Forum should be run are not agreed to, he will leave the Forum.  Unfortunately, I for one cannot agree to Steve's demands.  I will decide what I post and what my posts contain, not Steve and Jane, and I will not accept being insulted and attacked simply because I have different views to Steve.

I hope all that is clear.

Thank you.

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2021, 07:23:AM »
Steve and Jane seem to think they should decide what should be posted about the case to the Forum and that anybody whose views about the case offend them or differ from theirs should be attacked and insulted without recourse, and have their posts removed and potentially be banned. If I protest about being insulted, then I am 'sensitive' and a 'cry baby', or whatever.  According to Jane, I need to "put up or shut up" or something like that.  No mention is made that the Forum Rules forbid all this.

Steve seems a bit puzzled by anybody who takes a view about the case that doesn't fit into a neat pre-conceived box.  He demands that I declare my allegiance to one flag or the other and start screeching about how Jeremy is innocent as the pure driven snow, or an irredeemable monster.

I must admit, I am not entirely clear what point Steve and Jane really are making in these posts, or what their posts have to do with what I actually said in the opening post to the thread, or indeed what they are trying to achieve here, but the above seems to be - more or less - the effect of what they are saying and doing, albeit they do make exceptions now and then.  Steve reassures JackieD that at least he knows where she stands, and although Lookout has harsher things than I to say about Colin, she doesn't receive the same treatment.  He just doesn't like me - and I should put up with being attacked, insulted and abused, according to Jane.

Steve did also say earlier that if his demands about how the Forum should be run are not agreed to, he will leave the Forum.  Unfortunately, I for one cannot agree to Steve's demands.  I will decide what I post and what my posts contain, not Steve and Jane, and I will not accept being insulted and attacked simply because I have different views to Steve.

I hope all that is clear.

Thank you.


You're adept at putting your own interpretation on what others say, as is Jackie, although I hesitate to place you in the same category. Where have I ever dictated what you 'should' say? I haven't. It's your perception. There's no should/shouldn't about it. Posters are perfectly free to say what they want -and Yes, that includes you- but all have to accept that there are consequences. No one here shouts more loudly, than you, regarding perceived insults, and no one dishes them out more freely, insisting they have the right. What about the 'rights' of others to respond to, what they perceive as insults from you?

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2021, 09:06:AM »
CC clearly doesn’t understand the case because she has clearly forgotten what Colin said to the police when told about the murders

Who would leave precious little people in that situation.
But if it all goes wrong deflect and make money out of the tragedy

You have clearly overlooked that I'm a newbie!!!

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Re: Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2021, 09:35:AM »
So where exactly did Colin get the idea that Sheila was suicidal???

Page 21 of his book: 'Oh no, then she finally did it'!  I said, almost thinking out loud.  With Bamb's recent history of mental illness, the possibilty rang horribly true, but I didn't have a chance to think or ask questions.

Page 22: At first it seemed most obvious that it was her, but when they said about the twins, something didn't quite make sense.

It seems Colin got the idea that Sheila was suicidal based on her history of mental illness. 

He claims he was told by Sheila's psychiatrist she was not a risk to herself or others.  What reason would he have for doubting this?