Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders

[Adam]

You answered one recently which was incorrect.  You said Julie would have seen the Meissen clock at the farmhouse when in fact, according to Bamber, it was kept in a suitcase.

Even it was on display, Julie would not know it was a Meissen Clock & it was valuable.

Bamber told her. Which is why it is in her WS.

[JackieD]

CC clearly doesn’t understand the case because she has clearly forgotten what Colin said to the police when told about the murders

Who would leave precious little people in that situation.
But if it all goes wrong deflect and make money out of the tragedy

[ngb1066]

A number of posts have been removed from this thread.  These were posts which added little or nothing to the debate but contained attacks on other members.  It is difficult to know where to draw the line but it is necessary to exercise judgement and make decisions in what appears to be the best interests of the forum and its members.  I ask all members for their cooperation in minimising future forum problems.

[JackieD]

Its not a good point at all.  According to Sheila's psychiatrist she was not a risk to herself or others.  Moreover he reiterated this to Colin.

So where exactly did Colin get the idea that Sheila was suicidal???

[lookout]

Nice chap, wasn't he, deserting his wife when she needed him most ? Sick and in need of help. He was horrible to Sheila I thought.

[Jane]

So where exactly did Colin get the idea that Sheila was suicidal???

One can only assume that he'd heard from her, on several occasions words which intimated that she wished she were dead, or that if he did x.y, or z, she'd kill herself. Such words are often said out of frustration, ie, if one isn't being heard, or one's needs aren't being met. Sheila may have been fragile, but there's nothing to indicate that she was suicidal. She was admitted to hospital as psychotic, not suicidal. I don't believe her to have said anything about being so, to Dr Ferguson.

[Jane]

Nice chap, wasn't he, deserting his wife when she needed him most ? Sick and in need of help. He was horrible to Sheila I thought.

Lookout, we have to remember that she wasn't his wife and hadn't been so for nearly 6 years. She wasn't his responsibility. Divorce ended it. If he'd wanted the responsibility of her, he'd never have left her. Would you still have been expecting him to take responsibility for her had he remarried and had another family?

[JackieD]

One can only assume that he'd heard from her, on several occasions words which intimated that she wished she were dead, or that if he did x.y, or z, she'd kill herself. Such words are often said out of frustration, ie, if one isn't being heard, or one's needs aren't being met. Sheila may have been fragile, but there's nothing to indicate that she was suicidal. She was admitted to hospital as psychotic, not suicidal. I don't believe her to have said anything about being so, to Dr Ferguson.

I’m not interested in your assumptions. It is a FACT that Colin believed Sheila was suicidal yet dropped her off at a place she hated with 2 small children.

Sheila had very serious mental health issues and had obviously made it clear to Colin she could not cope and carry on living

That is a dreadful state of affairs. Sheila must have been in such a desperate state

It’s about time the truth comes out about this case and people take responsibility for there actions

[Jane]

I’m not interested in your assumptions. It is a FACT that Colin believed Sheila was suicidal yet dropped her off at a place she hated with 2 small children.

Sheila had very serious mental health issues and had obviously made it clear to Colin she could not cope and carry on living

That is a dreadful state of affairs. Sheila must have been in such a desperate state

It’s about time the truth comes out about this case and people take responsibility for there actions

Okay, but, but you can't just throw it out there as 'FACT'. I guess we all require proof that she was suicidal.

IF she'd made it clear to Colin that she was unable to cope, and unable to go on living -and I don't recall reading such from anyone other than you, what would you have expected him to do? My first thought, HAD she said she was unable to cope, and unable to go on living, is that he'd have applied for full custody of the boys.

You speak of Sheila as if she had no mind of her own. She was mother to small boys whose grandparents wanted to see them prior to a holiday they were taking with their father. Had she so hated visiting her parents, surely it was up to her to say.

You seem to be rewriting Sheila's mental history to fit with how you want it to be.

[guest29835]

I’m not interested in your assumptions. It is a FACT that Colin believed Sheila was suicidal yet dropped her off at a place she hated with 2 small children.

Sheila had very serious mental health issues and had obviously made it clear to Colin she could not cope and carry on living

That is a dreadful state of affairs. Sheila must have been in such a desperate state

It’s about time the truth comes out about this case and people take responsibility for there actions

I believe Colin has, already, taken responsibility.  If you have not done so, I recommend you read his book - both editions, if you can.  The notion that he should take further blame or responsibility is, in my view, obscene.  In my own comments about him, I only suggest that he should be seen as responsible for what he did and did not do, and no more, and whatever consequences he may suffer for it have been suffered in the terrible loss of his sons, for which he deserves our unending sympathy and condolences.

I think it is OK to criticise Colin.  He won't like it, and may be offended and protest, and I don't blame him, but it is what it is and what happened, happened.  To comment on this case from the side-lines leads, inescapably, to the expression of judgement of the individuals caught up in it.  We all have shortcomings.

[JackieD]

Lookout, we have to remember that she wasn't his wife and hadn't been so for nearly 6 years. She wasn't his responsibility. Divorce ended it. If he'd wanted the responsibility of her, he'd never have left her. Would you still have been expecting him to take responsibility for her had he remarried and had another family?

He decided to go on the national tv news to let everyone know they were on the verge of getting back together

Those children were very much his responsibility

[JackieD]

I believe Colin has, already, taken responsibility.  If you have not done so, I recommend you read his book - both editions, if you can.  The notion that he should take further blame or responsibility is, in my view, obscene.  In my own comments about him, I only suggest that he should be seen as responsible for what he did and did not do, and no more, and whatever consequences he may suffer for it have been suffered in the terrible loss of his sons, for which he deserves our unending sympathy and condolences.

I think it is OK to criticise Colin.  He won't like it, and may be offended and protest, and I don't blame him, but it is what it is and what happened, happened.  To comment on this case from the side-lines leads, inescapably, to the expression of judgement of the individuals caught up in it.  We all have shortcomings.

If you believe JB to be innocent then his actions to me seem obscene

Why go on Lorraine to mislead the public and make money out of a book

Why make out they were going to get back together

Why edit Jeremy’s letters to suit his narrative

He could have kept quite considering his behaviour ??

[Jane]

He decided to go on the national tv news to let everyone know they were on the verge of getting back together

Those children were very much his responsibility

Are you really expecting the Forum to believe that, on national television, Colin made the claim that "Sheila and I were on the verge of getting back together" Get real. He left her because they were toxic together. Even Sheila admitted they were getting on better for being separated. Had it not been for the pregnancy, they probably would never have married.

[JackieD]

Are you really expecting the Forum to believe that, on national television, Colin made the claim that "Sheila and I were on the verge of getting back together" Get real. He left her because they were toxic together. Even Sheila admitted they were getting on better for being separated. Had it not been for the pregnancy, they probably would never have married.

Ask you mate Caroline she posted the link and then you can apologise. I will post the link myself

[Jane]

If you believe JB to be innocent then his actions to me seem obscene

Why go on Lorraine to mislead the public and make money out of a book

Why make out they were going to get back together

Why edit Jeremy’s letters to suit his narrative

He could have kept quite considering his behaviour ??

At what point did he mislead the public, other than in your version of what he said?

 The book had already been written. It had been amended.

You seem to be the only one who nheard him say that he and Sheila were getting back together.

The letters, IN THEIR ENTIRITY, are, I'm told, available to read in the original book.

Why the hell should he have to keep quiet? he's guilty of nothing more than having married the wrong person...............from whom he was long divorced. Thinking about it, under the circumstances, she was lucky he was still willing to chauffeur her around.