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Offline haughton

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« on: July 09, 2011, 11:39:AM »
Neville was once an intellegence officer. It is possible that he made some enemies. Maybe this "hunched figure" was someone from his past, seeking revenge. farfetched ? perhaps. It seems that someone from Belgium named Dirrk Van Hussel knew about the murders. Is it known that Neville knew for sure that it was Shiela "gone berzerk with the gun"? Perhaps he heard the shots and assumed that it was Shiela!!








just corrected spelling typo in title. sorry, Grahame.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 02:54:PM »
jb states that when neville phoned him he said sheila has gone beserk, i cant see neville mistakinf someone else for sheila, especially a male.

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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 03:25:PM »
jb states that when neville phoned him he said sheila has gone beserk, i cant see neville mistakinf someone else for sheila, especially a male.

Andrea   -  I agree with you.  Although the third party theory has some attractions I believe it does not tie in with the known evidence and it is does not take our understanding of the case further forward.  I believe that the theories along these lines advanced some time ago by others then assisting Jeremy Bamber did a lot of harm to his case at the time.

 

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 03:30:PM »
 If Neville heard the shots without seeing the shooter, why would he not think that it was Shiela?

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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 03:36:PM »
jb states that when neville phoned him he said sheila has gone beserk, i cant see neville mistakinf someone else for sheila, especially a male.

Andrea   -  I agree with you.  Although the third party theory has some attractions I believe it does not tie in with the known evidence and it is does not take our understanding of the case further forward.  I believe that the theories along these lines advanced some time ago by others then assisting Jeremy Bamber did a lot of harm to his case at the time.

 
I think it was Giovanni Di Stefano who started that story?

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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 03:40:PM »
If Neville heard the shots without seeing the shooter, why would he not think that it was Shiela?


haughton  -  I accept that what you suggest is possible.  However Jeremy Bamber's account of the call from Nevill gives the clear impression that shooting had not started at the time the call was made.

 

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 03:43:PM »
jb states that when neville phoned him he said sheila has gone beserk, i cant see neville mistakinf someone else for sheila, especially a male.

Andrea   -  I agree with you.  Although the third party theory has some attractions I believe it does not tie in with the known evidence and it is does not take our understanding of the case further forward.  I believe that the theories along these lines advanced some time ago by others then assisting Jeremy Bamber did a lot of harm to his case at the time.

 
I think it was Giovanni Di Stefano who started that story?

Yes it was and it did Jeremy Bamber's case no good whatsoever.  I am not surprised that Jeremy got rid of him and took on a sensible legal team with their feet firmly on the ground and looking at hard evidence rather than wild speculation.


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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 03:47:PM »
ngb,  Neville said that Shiela has gone berzerk with the one of the guns. this would mean that she was firing it , would'nt you think.? and if they were in different rooms...........

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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 03:52:PM »
would Neville have been able to phone JB while Shiela was in the room taking pot shots at him?

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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 04:09:PM »
ngb,  Neville said that Shiela has gone berzerk with the one of the guns. this would mean that she was firing it , would'nt you think.? and if they were in different rooms...........

haughton  -  I see the point you are making.  I am not sure that the words attributed by Jeremy to Nevill conveyed the meaning that the weapon had yet been fired, and I believe Jeremy's impression was that it had not been.  It is just possible that Nevill was under the mistaken belief that Sheila was responsible for whatever was causing him great concern, whereas it was in fact an intruder.  However I do find that situation hard to visualise.  Why would he have referred to Sheila without something directly indicating that it was Sheila who was behaving in a manner out of control, specifically involving a firearm?  I also suspect that if the firing had started Nevill would not have called Jeremy.  He would either have tried to intervene physically to defend his family or would have called the police.  Calling Jeremy indicates to me that the situation, although difficult, had not become completely out of control and Nevill wanted to deal with it within the family. 

I accept of course that I may be wrong on this and what you suggest is a theoretical possibility, albeit one I personally consider unlikely.


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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 04:19:PM »
would Neville have been able to phone JB while Shiela was in the room taking pot shots at him?

No, obviously not.  He would have tried to defend himself.


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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2011, 09:07:AM »
ngb 1066. I still believe in the 3rd party theory. Icould be wrong, but it's no worse than that of the EP !

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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2011, 09:18:AM »
ngb 1066. I still believe in the 3rd party theory. Icould be wrong, but it's no worse than that of the EP !

We can agree on that!


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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2011, 09:22:AM »
ngb 1066. I still believe in the 3rd party theory. Icould be wrong, but it's no worse than that of the EP !
Haughton, if a third party was involved, why would they have taken the trouble to lock the house after the event.
I also believe the house was bolted from the inside.
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Re: hunched figure
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2011, 10:02:AM »
cliff, bang goes another theory