Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.

[Steve_uk]

To summarise all the inconsistencies with the silencer off the top of my head -


No muzzle imprints consistent with a silencer on the contact wounds to Sheila's neck/chin.

No skin tissue, bone fragments or blood from Nichoals Caffell inside the silencer despite suffering three contact wounds.

Marks on Nevills back and arm consistent with the threaded end of the barrel.

Ann Eatons description of the blood appearing as a "blob of jam" is not how blood that has dried for three days appears.

David Boutflour does not notice blood or paint when he looked at the silencer in the den at white house farm. Nor does he notice the grey hair.

David Boutflour claims he attempted to unscrew the silencer but it was too tight/hard. Yet buy all accounts it was easy to unscrew and designed as such.

The grey hair only seems to appear once Peter Eaton hands it over to DS Jones.

No evidence of scratch marks in the 7th of August crime scene photos.

Nevill suffered a comminuted fracture to his arm from a gunshot upstairs, making an altercation over the rifle impossible.

Three people who handled it prior to the police have a financial interest in a conviction.

Two gun enthusists viewing photographs in Ewen Smith's office beg to differ. Bamber could have shot Nicholas and Daniel once initially, thereby stopping the heart. He then returned for overkill. The scratch marks were on the underside of the mantleshelf, so difficult to notice on first inspection. Your assertion on the sequence of Nevill's injuries is speculation.

[JackieD]

To summarise all the inconsistencies with the silencer off the top of my head -


No muzzle imprints consistent with a silencer on the contact wounds to Sheila's neck/chin.

No skin tissue, bone fragments or blood from Nichoals Caffell inside the silencer despite suffering three contact wounds.

Marks on Nevills back and arm consistent with the threaded end of the barrel.

Ann Eatons description of the blood appearing as a "blob of jam" is not how blood that has dried for three days appears.

David Boutflour does not notice blood or paint when he looked at the silencer in the den at white house farm. Nor does he notice the grey hair.

David Boutflour claims he attempted to unscrew the silencer but it was too tight/hard. Yet buy all accounts it was easy to unscrew and designed as such.

The grey hair only seems to appear once Peter Eaton hands it over to DS Jones.

No evidence of scratch marks in the 7th of August crime scene photos.

Nevill suffered a comminuted fracture to his arm from a gunshot upstairs, making an altercation over the rifle impossible.

Three people who handled it prior to the police have a financial interest in a conviction.

If you tell the truth,' Mark Twain once observed, 'you don't have to remember anything.'

[Adam]

Bamber agreed in 2012 the silencer could have been used during the shootings. Then taken off to burn Nevill's back.

Bamber is not going to lift Nevill onto a coal scuttle & start burning his back until he has finished shooting everyone.

After deciding to burn Nevill's back minus silencer, he took it off in the kitchen & put it back in it's usual place. Not aware of the back spatter phenomenon or the aga paint. And not expecting anyone to check anyway. 

[Adam]

It is doubtful Bamber took the silencer off in the bedroom.

He was going downstairs with the rifle after shooting Sheila. To check to see if Nevill needed more shots.  Deciding to burn his back after checking.

The silencer was taken off in the kitchen & put away once the decision was made to burn Nevill's back.

Bamber returned upstairs to put the rifle on Sheila.

Bamber agreed this is possible in 2012. Saying Nevill's back was burnt minus silencer.

[Adam]

Of course Bamber may have already known or realised on the night, the rifle with silencer was too long for Sheila. Another reason for taking it off.

He took it off & put it away in the kitchen. After shooting Sheila & checking to see if Nevill needed more shots.

Then Nevill's back was burnt with the rifle barrel. As stated by Bamber in 2012.

[guest29835]

Of course Bamber may have already known or realised on the night, the rifle with silencer was too long for Sheila. Another reason for taking it off.

He took it off & put it away in the kitchen. After shooting Sheila & checking to see if Nevill needed more shots.

Then Nevill's back was burnt with the rifle barrel. As stated by Bamber in 2012.

The gun cupboard was in Nevill's den, which was at the far end of the house.  He would have to go through the kitchen, into the back corridor, then into Nevill's den.

[David1819]

August 7th

DC Clarke tells Ann Eaton that Nevills body was found by the AGA near the mantle shelf.

August 8th:

Ann Eaton takes Julie to the mortuary and notes down Nevills injuries after talking to Julie.

Jeremy provides a witness statement saying he left the rifle in the kitchen without the silencer on.

August 9th:

After visiting the accountant, Jeremy asks Ann Eaton to pay back the loan for the farmland that she is living on. In order to pay death duties.

Ann Eaton visits WHF with DCI and DS Jones. While there she would have seen the blue coat obscuring a certain area of the mantle shelf.

August 10th:

Relatives visit WHF again and collected the silencer and also take back home Sheila's blood stained clothing. David Boutflour does not recall seeing any blood, paint or hair on the silencer while at WHF at this stage.

Ann Eaton contacts Whitam police station about the silencer later that evening.

August 13th:

Stan Jones collects the silencer and gives it to DI Cook.

August 14th:

Ann Eaton alerts DI Cook to the scratch marks under the mantle shelf.

And so, to summarise AE had the means motive and opportunity to contaminate the sound moderator in order to incriminate JB.

They did have means and opportunity.

They knew Jeremy said he left the rifle out without the silencer on. Thus they could seemingly contradict his statements.

They knew where Nevills body was found.
They knew Nevill had bad facial injuries.
They knew the coat was obscuring an area of the mantle from crime scene photos where they later showed the scratches to the police.
They knew there was a mess in the kitchen.
Thus they could make it seem the silencer was involved in the kitchen altercation.


They knew Sheila was shot under the chin/neck.
They had both Sheila's bloodand the silencer in their possession.
They had unlimited access to the crime scene.
Thus they could make it appear she was shot with the silencer attached and a killer put it away.

[Adam]

The gun cupboard was in Nevill's den, which was at the far end of the house.  He would have to go through the kitchen, into the back corridor, then into Nevill's den.

Ok. He walked out of the kitchen to the corridor where the gun cupboard was.

[Adam]

Lookout's silencer scenario is even more impossible than David's -

Sheila took the silencer off mid massacre & her blood fell in it. The scratch marks were during the kitchen struggle.

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The scratch mark scenario is correct.

The problem with the dripping blood is Sheila only bled after her first shot.

[Adam]

Hopefully Rob, QC, Roch & JackieD will say how they believe the aga paint and Sheila's blood got into the silencer.

None have supported David's diluted period blood theory, although none have dismissed it.

The other option is the police fabricated the silencer. Then asked the relatives, BC & BW to say they found it. For no apparent reason.

[Roch]

Hopefully Rob, QC, Roch & JackieD will say how they believe the aga paint and Sheila's blood got into the silencer.

None have supported David's diluted blood theory, although none have dismissed it.

The other option is the police fabricated the silencer. Then asked the relatives, BC & BW to say they found it. For no apparent reason.

I've always wondered how involved Cook was in all this.

[guest29835]

Ok. He walked out of the kitchen to the corridor where the gun cupboard was.

No, Adam.  The gun cupboard was not in the corridor.  It was in the den, as I've just told you.  He would have to walk out of the kitchen, into the back corridor, then into the den.  The cupboard was at the far end of the room, in the void under the top office stairs.

[Adam]

No, Adam.  The gun cupboard was not in the corridor.  It was in the den, as I've just told you.  He would have to walk out of the kitchen, into the back corridor, then into the den.  The cupboard was at the far end of the room, in the void under the top office stairs.

Ok he walked out of the kitchen into the corridor & put the silencer away where he got it from.

After shooting Sheila & prior to burning Nevill's back.

Bamber agreed in 2012 Nevill's back was burnt minus silencer. This supports him taking it off downstairs & putting it away.

[David1819]

I've always wondered how involved Cook was in all this.

[Roch]

He was technically proficient though.