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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #120 on: November 30, 2021, 11:25:PM »
Neither do I. I wonder if QT thinks all this was a muddle up also

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10038.msg459000.html#msg459000

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This is typical of your posts: a denial then change the subject. Please read Roger Wilkes Blood Relations Chapter Twenty. It's quite clear that Jeremy Bamber is being deliberately obfuscatory under interrogation. Cambridgecutie is quite correct.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #121 on: December 01, 2021, 04:29:AM »
Bamber was unable to recall whether he called the police before Julie or vice versa.  Its called forgetting or getting muddled!

The 'absolute truth' relevant to this issue, was that 'Jeremy' attempted to make contact via a telephone call to 'Witham police station' in between the call from his father (before 3.26am) and his call to 'julie Mugford' (3.30am). 'He' then made a telephone call to 'Chelmsford police station' at the time, '3. 36am'..

It therefore, impacts upon whether or not, 'Jeremy' contacted the police 'BEFORE' or [and] 'AFTER' his telephone call to 'Julie Mugford' at '3.30am'..

His attempt to contact 'Witham police station' prior to his call to his girlfriend 'Julie Mugford' at '3.30am' depends upon whether or not, it 'qualifies' as being 'Jeremys' calls that 'He had made to the police'..

In my view, 'Jeremy' made 'two telephone calls to police', [ the first of which took place between 3.26am and '3.30am - and 'a second call to police' after 'he successfully' contacted 'Julie Mugford' at '3. 30am']...

 
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #122 on: December 01, 2021, 07:22:AM »
Just goes to show how desperate the relatives were to get a conviction.

Yup.

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« Reply #123 on: December 01, 2021, 08:04:AM »
The 'absolute truth' relevant to this issue, was that 'Jeremy' attempted to make contact via a telephone call to 'Witham police station' in between the call from his father (before 3.26am) and his call to 'julie Mugford' (3.30am). 'He' then made a telephone call to 'Chelmsford police station' at the time, '3. 36am'..

It therefore, impacts upon whether or not, 'Jeremy' contacted the police 'BEFORE' or [and] 'AFTER' his telephone call to 'Julie Mugford' at '3.30am'..

His attempt to contact 'Witham police station' prior to his call to his girlfriend 'Julie Mugford' at '3.30am' depends upon whether or not, it 'qualifies' as being 'Jeremys' calls that 'He had made to the police'..

In my view, 'Jeremy' made 'two telephone calls to police', [ the first of which took place between 3.26am and '3.30am - and 'a second call to police' after 'he successfully' contacted 'Julie Mugford' at '3. 30am']...

In which case why leave one of them out of his 7th Aug witness statement?
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #124 on: December 01, 2021, 08:07:AM »
Just goes to show how desperate the relatives were to get a conviction.

And for unfathomable reasons it goes to show how desperate you and David are to get an acquittal!!!!!

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #125 on: December 01, 2021, 08:17:AM »
None of this precludes deliberate contamination.

The justice system works on what's more or less probable not flights of fantasy!!!!!

Where?

Everywhere!!!!!

Source?

Numerous excerpts to forensic textbooks online refer to draw-back aka blowback being dependent on various factors eg wound site, calibre of firearm, bullet velocity.  I think you are conflating two different phenomenons: backspatter which is blood for a non-contact gunshot wound travelling back against the line of fire and depositing within the environment and draw-bck aka blowback which is blood from a contact gunshot wound travelling back against the line of fire and depositing within the firearm's barrel or silencer if attached. 

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #126 on: December 01, 2021, 10:34:AM »
In which case why leave one of them out of his 7th Aug witness statement?

He wasn't questioned at the time he made his first witness statement that was taken by 'DC Clark' on the 7th August 1985, regarding how many times [his attempt to contact police at Witham police station] after 3.26am, and prior to him calling 'Julie Mugford' [3.30am] he 'tried' to contact the police earlier that morning. Furthermore, he only got through [3.36am, onwards] and `spoke to a police officer` on `the second occasion` that 'he attempted to contact them'. When I was serving a prison sentence at 'HMP FULL SUTTON' [1989/1990] 'I' spent a lot of time talking to 'Jeremy' about his arrests, prosecution, and how his trial had been conducted. These conversations that we had stretched out over a long period of time, and of course many different occasions. 'Him' and 'Me' were next door to one another on 'B Wing'. There were only four wings during the period 'I' spent time in custody there [`A', 'B', 'C' and 'D']. LATER ON, two more wings,['E' and 'F' were constructed some time after my release from custody awaiting appeal ['26th July 1990'] as a result of the 'Greater Manchester police enquiry into what 'South Yorkshire police' got up to, in 'my arrest', 'prosecution' and 'convictions' [what Greater Manchester police uncovered during their investigation in complaints made by me, also impacted, on other cases, including 'the Hillsborough disaster' [1989] - the 'fabrication of witness statement' contents, and 'faked entries' in 'police notebooks' which had not been issued to police officers at the time that many of them entered handwritten accounts, into notebooks which were relied upon during my trial [as though they had been in possession of such notebooks at the time of an incident ['Sunday' the '25th January 1987'] after which 'the lot of them' claimed that they had 'made up' [`OH', 'YEAH']  their entries in notebooks, on the evening of the incident they were referring to [25th January 1987] when all along, 'these' /'those' handwritten notes, were recorded by them all, 'additionally', 'obtained notebooks' that 'a senior police officer' had (dishonestly) 'issued to them' much later on. The police at time /in 'that era' commonly falsified evidence' so that they could hopefully convict innocent people of crimes which maybe 'they had not actually committed'!
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #127 on: December 01, 2021, 10:46:AM »
He wasn't questioned at the time he made his first witness statement that was taken by 'DC Clark' on the 7th August 1985, regarding how many times [his attempt to contact police at Witham police station] after 3.26am, and prior to him calling 'Julie Mugford' [3.30am] he 'tried' to contact the police earlier that morning. Furthermore, he only got through [3.36am, onwards] and `spoke to a police officer` on `the second occasion` that 'he attempted to contact them'. When I was serving a prison sentence at 'HMP FULL SUTTON' [1989/1990] 'I' spent a lot of time talking to 'Jeremy' about his arrests, prosecution, and how his trial had been conducted. These conversations that we had stretched out over a long period of time, and of course many different occasions. 'Him' and 'Me' were next door to one another on 'B Wing'. There were only four wings during the period 'I' spent time in custody there [`A', 'B', 'C' and 'D']. LATER ON, two more wings,['E' and 'F' were constructed some time after my release from custody awaiting appeal ['26th July 1990'] as a result of the 'Greater Manchester police enquiry into what 'South Yorkshire police' got up to, in 'my arrest', 'prosecution' and 'convictions' [what Greater Manchester police uncovered during their investigation in complaints made by me, also impacted, on other cases, including 'the Hillsborough disaster' [1989] - the 'fabrication of witness statement' contents, and 'faked entries' in 'police notebooks' which had not been issued to police officers at the time that many of them entered handwritten accounts, into notebooks which were relied upon during my trial [as though they had been in possession of such notebooks at the time of an incident ['Sunday' the '25th January 1987'] after which 'the lot of them' claimed that they had 'made up' [`Ho', 'YEAH']  their entries in notebooks, on the evening of the incident they were referring to [25th January 1987] when all along, 'these' /'those' handwritten notes, were recorded by them all, 'additionally', 'obtained notebooks' that 'a senior police officer' had (dishonestly) 'issued to them' much later on. The police at time /in 'that era' commonly falsified evidence' so that they could hopefully convict innocent people of crimes which maybe 'they had not actually committed'!

I know he wasn't questioned but he gave a very detailed account of events leading up to the claimed phone call from his father and detailed events thereafter.  No reason for him to leave a second phone call out.  And certainly no reason for him to leave out such a phone call when he was interviewed under question in September about the phone calls.

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« Reply #128 on: December 01, 2021, 01:22:PM »
I don't doubt that.  But 'drawback aka as blowback' is a complex phenomenon where the opposite of what would ordinarily be expected occurs ie gases causing blood to travel towards the line of fire.  The idea Mrs Eaton woud have such knowledge is laughable!  :))

What has this got to do with the above?  You're conflating two entirely different propostions: one how you believe the silencer was contaminated and two that the silencer wasn't used.

In any event the expert evidence from the defence in this regard hasn't been challenged by the prosecution.

Hair can impede flight and you also need to factor in an immature skull.

This is one of the central problems of the theory that the silencer was planted by the family.  It has been discussed before, and when I can, I may pull out my own posts on the issue.  Here I will summarise a possible response that the pro-Jeremy camp can make to this, and another central problem.

I am non-committal on the matter.  I think there is evidence that the blood distribution within the silencer is consistent with the blood having been planted, but that does not mean the evidence was planted.  Furthermore, I think if this evidence was planted, it should still be possible to prove it at some level, but at the moment, I regard the position as uncertain.

I am not sure that I would accept the idea of Anne Eaton as a conspirator.  If there was a conspiracy, I would assume it would involve Robert Boutflour, Jnr. and David Boutflour only - father and son, sworn to secrecy.  But I am not saying they did this, or anything.  I don't know!  I don't want myself or this Forum to be sued for libel.

The argument from guilters is that the family could not have planted the silencer because:

(i). they were not cognisant of the drawback phenomenon; and,
(ii). they would not have appreciated the evidential significance of the silencer itself;
(iii). they did not have access to Sheila's blood.

Let me add another strong pro-guilt point that I thought of when I was going over this in my head:

(iv). How does the family know what the police have or have not checked, seen and observed when looking in the gun cupboard and examining the various firearms and paraphernalia?  For all the family know, police officers may well have already examined the silencer in situ and decided it should bear no significance to the investigation.  The police may also have indexed and recorded their findings.

Even if you are pro-innocent and want to dismiss these points, let's agree on something: if the silencer was planted, whoever was responsible was taking a calculated risk.  But as David observes, criminals do take risks.

Now, here is a possible response that the pro-Jeremy camp could make to all this:

In regard to (i), the family were not experts in forensic ballistics, but they didn't need to be.  They were gun users and would have enough knowledge and intuitive understanding to appreciate the significance of the silencer.  They would also intuitively understand that any sort of blood found in the silencer - especially human blood of any type - would throw the investigation a wobbly and potentially cast suspicion on Jeremy.  Remember that the aim may have been not to incriminate Jeremy at all, but merely to cause issues and trouble for him, cast general doubt over his innocence (if not legal doubt, then at least a shade of factual doubt), and damage his credibility during a period when he was vulnerable.  That kind of evidence may also be useful in civil proceedings against Jeremy over the Bamber-Speakman estates, in the event that Jeremy is not charged, or he is acquitted following a criminal trial.   

Turning to (ii), there are two threads to the objection.  First, how did they know that the rifle could not have been used by Sheila to kill herself with the silencer attached to it?  Second, how did they know to put Sheila's blood in the silencer instead of, say, Nevill's or June's?  The reply to the first point is that they did not even need to think about it.  Their issue was that the silencer was missing and they then found it.  It was Stan Jones who came up with the idea that the rifle with a silencer attached was too long for Sheila.  The reply to the second point is that they didn't need to be concerned with whose blood it was, because:

- any sort of blood found in the silencer would cast suspicion on Jeremy;
- human blood of any type found in the silencer would probably lead to Jeremy being charged, but not necessarily convicted;
- human blood of the right type found in the silencer could be enough for a jury to convict him, but it depends on the other evidence, as it's mainly a circumstantial case.

Turning to (iii), the problem with this objection is that it assumes the identification of the blood matters.  You forget that, given science and technology of the time, the forensic case against Jeremy was probabilistic because the trial could not pinpoint that it was Sheila's blood.  Instead, what the prosecution were saying to the jury is:

(a). the blood is human blood;
(b). the human blood is of a type that is the same as Sheila's;
(c). the rifle was legally Nevill's, but in fact it was Jeremy's gun (there is no suggestion Jeremy was using the gun illegally during the normal course of things, as he could assert a statutory dispensation);
(d). Jeremy admits that he was the last person to handle the gun prior to the incident;
(e). Jeremy admits that he was aware of the incident involving Sheila via a phone call from Nevill, the veracity for which the court is entirely reliant on Jeremy himself;
(f). given facts (a), (b), (c), (d), (e) and (f), the legal onus shifts to Jeremy to explain why there is blood in the silencer, and you, as the jury, must consider any explanation he offer, or no explanation, against all the surrounding facts and circumstances, including the evidence of Julie Mugford;
(g). Jeremy's explanation is that Sheila is the killer and she must have replaced the silencer in the gun cupboard before shooting herself;
(h). in all the circumstances, and weighing up the probabilities, Jeremy's explanation seems improbable;
(i). the criminal burden of proof is that you must be sure, but the improbability of Jeremy's explanation is such that his innocence is at the very margins of plausibility, hence the Crown submits that the jury can be sure of Jeremy's guilt.

You may agree with all this, but the key point is that the prosecution could not be sure it was Sheila's blood on the basis of a specific test for that purpose.  It is possible that in fact it was someone else's blood, of the same type or even a different type.  I think it follows that the family must have been aware of two things:

- blood could not be identified, it could only be typed;
- even human blood of an entirely different type would circumstantially throw doubt on Jeremy's innocent act.

There are two possibilities:

Possibility A: the conspirators may have just put any old blood in the silencer, on the basis that any human blood causes problems for Jeremy but could not be identified as blood of the family.  The coincidence of blood types benefited the prosecution case without casting suspicion on the family, but this was not planned.

Possibility B: the conspirators knew Sheila's blood type from family information and knew Ribetr Boutflour Jnr.'s blood type and also knew from general knowledge that blood could not be identified, it could only be typed, so they planted the 'right' blood in the silencer, anticipating that Jeremy could then be charged with the murders.

One further point to consider is that the family were blood tested by the police prior to the trial.  Nobody seems to have suggested that because Robert Boutflour, Jnr.'s blood type matched Sheila's, and therefore matched the weapon, that this means there was an attempt to frame Jeremy.

As for (iv), the family may have been told by the police in casual conversation that nothing had been found.  Or they may have just taken the chance, in the belief that if caught out, they could allege that the police had missed that particular silencer.  The family had firearms silencers of their own that resembled that one and could easily have added one of these to make it look like there were multiple silencers.  Indeed, this may well be what actually happened, given that we know the FSS examined at least two different silencers.

Please understand that I am not saying any of this is the case.  I only offer you possible replies to the objections raised. 

I have my own private suspicions about it all, but it is for you to decide what you think.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2021, 01:26:PM »

Everywhere!!!!!


Nowhere have you refuted the ballistic evidence produced in 2011/12. If you have please provide a link


Numerous excerpts to forensic textbooks online refer to draw-back aka blowback being dependent on various factors eg wound site, calibre of firearm, bullet velocity.  I think you are conflating two different phenomenons: backspatter which is blood for a non-contact gunshot wound travelling back against the line of fire and depositing within the environment and draw-bck aka blowback which is blood from a contact gunshot wound travelling back against the line of fire and depositing within the firearm's barrel or silencer if attached.

You claimed that "the wound site was wrong for bone fragments". You could only have got that from forensic literature so can you please provide the source?

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« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2021, 01:34:PM »
This is one of the central problems of the theory that the silencer was planted by the family.  It has been discussed before, and when I can, I may pull out my own posts on the issue.  Here I will summarise a possible response that the pro-Jeremy camp can make to this, and another central problem.

I am non-committal on the matter.  I think there is evidence that the blood distribution within the silencer is consistent with the blood having been planted, but that does not mean the evidence was planted.  Furthermore, I think if this evidence was planted, it should still be possible to prove it at some level, but at the moment, I regard the position as uncertain.

I am not sure that I would accept the idea of Anne Eaton as a conspirator.  If there was a conspiracy, I would assume it would involve Robert Boutflour, Jnr. and David Boutflour only - father and son, sworn to secrecy.  But I am not saying they did this, or anything.  I don't know!  I don't want myself or this Forum to be sued for libel.

The argument from guilters is that the family could not have planted the silencer because:

(i). they were not cognisant of the drawback phenomenon; and,
(ii). they would not have appreciated the evidential significance of the silencer itself;
(iii). they did not have access to Sheila's blood.

Let me add another strong pro-guilt point that I thought of when I was going over this in my head:

(iv). How does the family know what the police have or have not checked, seen and observed when looking in the gun cupboard and examining the various firearms and paraphernalia?  For all the family know, police officers may well have already examined the silencer in situ and decided it should bear no significance to the investigation.  The police may also have indexed and recorded their findings.

Even if you are pro-innocent and want to dismiss these points, let's agree on something: if the silencer was planted, whoever was responsible was taking a calculated risk.  But as David observes, criminals do take risks.

Now, here is a possible response that the pro-Jeremy camp could make to all this:

In regard to (i), the family were not experts in forensic ballistics, but they didn't need to be.  They were gun users and would have enough knowledge and intuitive understanding to appreciate the significance of the silencer.  They would also intuitively understand that any sort of blood found in the silencer - especially human blood of any type - would throw the investigation a wobbly and potentially cast suspicion on Jeremy.  Remember that the aim may have been not to incriminate Jeremy at all, but merely to cause issues and trouble for him, cast general doubt over his innocence (if not legal doubt, then at least a shade of factual doubt), and damage his credibility during a period when he was vulnerable.  That kind of evidence may also be useful in civil proceedings against Jeremy over the Bamber-Speakman estates, in the event that Jeremy is not charged, or he is acquitted following a criminal trial.   

Turning to (ii), there are two threads to the objection.  First, how did they know that the rifle could not have been used by Sheila to kill herself with the silencer attached to it?  Second, how did they know to put Sheila's blood in the silencer instead of, say, Nevill's or June's?  The reply to the first point is that they did not even need to think about it.  Their issue was that the silencer was missing and they then found it.  It was Stan Jones who came up with the idea that the rifle with a silencer attached was too long for Sheila.  The reply to the second point is that they didn't need to be concerned with whose blood it was, because:

- any sort of blood found in the silencer would cast suspicion on Jeremy;
- human blood of any type found in the silencer would probably lead to Jeremy being charged, but not necessarily convicted;
- human blood of the right type found in the silencer could be enough for a jury to convict him, but it depends on the other evidence, as it's mainly a circumstantial case.

Turning to (iii), the problem with this objection is that it assumes the identification of the blood matters.  You forget that, given science and technology of the time, the forensic case against Jeremy was probabilistic because the trial could not pinpoint that it was Sheila's blood.  Instead, what the prosecution were saying to the jury is:

(a). the blood is human blood;
(b). the human blood is of a type that is the same as Sheila's;
(c). the rifle was legally Nevill's, but in fact it was Jeremy's gun (there is no suggestion Jeremy was using the gun illegally during the normal course of things, as he could assert a statutory dispensation);
(d). Jeremy admits that he was the last person to handle the gun prior to the incident;
(e). Jeremy admits that he was aware of the incident involving Sheila via a phone call from Nevill, the veracity for which the court is entirely reliant on Jeremy himself;
(f). given facts (a), (b), (c), (d), (e) and (f), the legal onus shifts to Jeremy to explain why there is blood in the silencer, and you, as the jury, must consider any explanation he offer, or no explanation, against all the surrounding facts and circumstances, including the evidence of Julie Mugford;
(g). Jeremy's explanation is that Sheila is the killer and she must have replaced the silencer in the gun cupboard before shooting herself;
(h). in all the circumstances, and weighing up the probabilities, Jeremy's explanation seems improbable;
(i). the criminal burden of proof is that you must be sure, but the improbability of Jeremy's explanation is such that his innocence is at the very margins of plausibility, hence the Crown submits that the jury can be sure of Jeremy's guilt.

You may agree with all this, but the key point is that the prosecution could not be sure it was Sheila's blood on the basis of a specific test for that purpose.  It is possible that in fact it was someone else's blood, of the same type or even a different type.  I think it follows that the family must have been aware of two things:

- blood could not be identified, it could only be typed;
- even human blood of an entirely different type would circumstantially throw doubt on Jeremy's innocent act.

There are two possibilities:

Possibility A: the conspirators may have just put any old blood in the silencer, on the basis that any human blood causes problems for Jeremy but could not be identified as blood of the family.  The coincidence of blood types benefited the prosecution case without casting suspicion on the family, but this was not planned.

Possibility B: the conspirators knew Sheila's blood type from family information and knew Ribetr Boutflour Jnr.'s blood type and also knew from general knowledge that blood could not be identified, it could only be typed, so they planted the 'right' blood in the silencer, anticipating that Jeremy could then be charged with the murders.

One further point to consider is that the family were blood tested by the police prior to the trial.  Nobody seems to have suggested that because Robert Boutflour, Jnr.'s blood type matched Sheila's, and therefore matched the weapon, that this means there was an attempt to frame Jeremy.

As for (iv), the family may have been told by the police in casual conversation that nothing had been found.  Or they may have just taken the chance, in the belief that if caught out, they could allege that the police had missed that particular silencer.  The family had firearms silencers of their own that resembled that one and could easily have added one of these to make it look like there were multiple silencers.  Indeed, this may well be what actually happened, given that we know the FSS examined at least two different silencers.

Please understand that I am not saying any of this is the case.  I only offer you possible replies to the objections raised. 

I have my own private suspicions about it all, but it is for you to decide what you think.

The relatives "discovered" the blood on the silencer on three days after the deaths. The problem there is after three days the blood would have dried flat and black. It would have been indistinguishable from any another black substance ie. soot. This raises two issues, how did they know it was blood without any testing apparatus and how could it appear like a "blob of jam" like Ann Eaton described it? The answer for me is rather straightforward.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2021, 01:39:PM »
Nowhere have you refuted the ballistic evidence produced in 2011/12. If you have please provide a link

Why are you so concerned with the opinion of a layperson?  The ballistic evidence hasn't been challenged by the prosecution because it in no way undermined the overall evidence (silencer/blood) and the review commission isn't in the business of wasting taxpayers' money. 

You claimed that "the wound site was wrong for bone fragments". You could only have got that from forensic literature so can you please provide the source?

Are you talking about Sheila or Nicholas?  Sheila's wound site was wrong for bone fragments and Nicholas' skull was immature and protected by hair. 

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« Reply #132 on: December 01, 2021, 01:42:PM »
And for unfathomable reasons it goes to show how desperate you and David are to get an acquittal!!!!!

No I totally look at the case as unbiased as I can unlike you. Someone sees blood / paint on the main exhibit at WHF farm and does not point this out the to others present???

Then latter claims to see the paint / blood at his sisters house ???

It was planted no one would have put the silencer in the cupboard not Sheila not JB.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #133 on: December 01, 2021, 01:45:PM »
Why are you so concerned with the opinion of a layperson?  The ballistic evidence hasn't been challenged by the prosecution because it in no way undermined the overall evidence (silencer/blood) and the review commission isn't in the business of wasting taxpayers' money. 

You claim you have already refuted this, so just post the link, its not difficult?

Are you talking about Sheila or Nicholas?  Sheila's wound site was wrong for bone fragments and Nicholas' skull was immature and protected by hair.

For the 3rd time what forensic literature are you going by? If you are not going to provide it I will make the reasonable assumption you have made this up.

PS: Nicholas Cafell was shot on the cheek bone and above the eyebrow thus those shots were not "protected by hair"  ::)

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #134 on: December 01, 2021, 01:55:PM »
No I totally look at the case as unbiased as I can unlike you. Someone sees blood / paint on the main exhibit at WHF farm and does not point this out the to others present???

Then latter claims to see the paint / blood at his sisters house ???

It was planted no one would have put the silencer in the cupboard not Sheila not JB.

But what about Adams "37 holes"?  ::)  Did they not convince you otherwise?  ;D