Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.

[David1819]

What was your view before you suddenly decided Bamber was innocent?

I inferred the call didn't take place, erroneously believing the silencer was on the gun.

[Adam]

I inferred the call didn't take place, erroneously believing the silencer was on the gun.

Do you not believe Bamber would attempt a silent massacre with a silencer attached?

[lookout]

Do you not believe Bamber would attempt a silent massacre with a silencer attached?

Not that a silencer makes any difference to a low velocity rifle in any case, no massacre is ever silent.

[Jane]

In JB's world, nothing urgent ever happened so he wouldn't have been in any hurry. He'd seen it before with Sheila's " meltdowns " and in his mind thought his father would manage. It probably wasn't until Nevill's call sunk in that he then realised that for the first time his father was in trouble.
After all, it wasn't every day that such a call was made. By the time things had sunk in he tried ringing WHF back to see what was going on but the phone was engaged----which would have been his father quickly ring for the police.

Unfortunately JB hadn't known about the severity of Sheila's last diagnosis after her stay at the clinic in March of that year or he would have been more prepared for the worst. He would have driven with caution while his thoughts dulled his full concentration, as there'd be all kinds of things going through his mind.
My thoughts were that at 24 he wasn't your average mature adult " man of the world and streetwise " so things beyond his mainly sheltered and cosy background were alien in that he now had to deal with things in the real world. Only for his father's teachings he'd have crumbled as Nevill was a strong man in mind and body and would have taught JB how to deal with things in certain situations.

Sadly, Lookout, the life JB led, entirely belies all you believe it to have been. Had he gone straight from school to farm and never left, I'd have agreed 100%. Under such circumstances, he wouldn't have been able to function without Nevill's direction. As it was, he was unable to function without Nevill's financial back-up, something he was assured of, and took maximum advantage of, wherever, in the world he travelled. He travelled to put as much space as possible, for as long a time as possible, between him and a future he'd become partially resigned to if he wanted to hit the jack-pot, and had managed, more than adequately.

[lookout]

Sadly, Lookout, the life JB led, entirely belies all you believe it to have been. Had he gone straight from school to farm and never left, I'd have agreed 100%. Under such circumstances, he wouldn't have been able to function without Nevill's direction. As it was, he was unable to function without Nevill's financial back-up, something he was assured of, and took maximum advantage of, wherever, in the world he travelled. He travelled to put as much space as possible, for as long a time as possible, between him and a future he'd become partially resigned to if he wanted to hit the jack-pot, and had managed, more than adequately.

He didn't " hit any jackpot" Jane    Far from it ,as that was well squirreled away and pre-organised before he had time to think.
 In-laws of mine were business people and I knew how they ticked when pa-in-law died. Yes, there was much sorrow, but it was soon overtaken by " who'd get what " which I remember at the time being sickened by.
 Different circumstances to the Bamber's of course, but the same lack of sentiments that JB's extended family showed. Money/ properties soon took over and rows etc within the family ensued. However that was in the 60's, but it seems that some things don't change.

JB travelled because he was financially able to do so with the help of his parents and why not ? Something else that I saw no relevancy to in this case. JB was in well-paid employment too so that was no big deal either. Like many, he'd wanted to see the world and he had the opportunity to go. It was no crime but must have, or did, get up the nose's of the extended family as the private schooling had done too. Why ? It wasn't their money that was being spent.

I believe JB did farmwork in Oz/ NZ for his accommodation and keep----no posh hotels or motels. Travel broadens the mind and outlook on life and it would have been a treat to break away from the stifled, regimented way of home-life----nothing wrong with that for one so young at the time. I bet his parents encouraged it if the truth be known, I know I would.

There are certain aspects of this case where jealousy raised its ugly head and I've read a lot of it !   

[Steve_uk]

Oddly you attempt an answer of my question after telling me you don't need to answer it.  Anyway, I find your reasons unconvincing. 

Time of death - If he was waiting for enough time to explain dried blood, how does that tie in with his attempted alibi, in which he tried to persuade the police that Sheila is still alive?  The two things stand in contradiction.

To compose himself: I thought he'd planned the whole thing?  What do you suggest was the length of the delay he needed to compose himself?

Distance himself from the crime scene - He achieves this by putting himself at the crime scene?  How does that make sense?

I'm afraid that, on closer scrutiny, the guilter position on this point is empty.

The case against Jeremy Bamber is a bit like noticing an attractive woman at a distance, only to find on closer view she is not what you initially thought.  In other words, the case looks convincing from a distance, but starts to fall apart when you pull at the threads.  Sorry.

1. Any lies coming from his mouth implying sister is still alive puts him in the clear. Why would he not embellish, especially following the trick of the light?

2.To compose himself: remember the "I should have been an actor" remark to Julie at Bourtree Cottage several hours later? He set the scene and played his part.

3. He gambled that a police alibi would have been far more watertight than him sheepishly turning up at White House Farm and hearing the news from Len Foakes.

[Adam]

Not that a silencer makes any difference to a low velocity rifle in any case, no massacre is ever silent.

Doubtful Bamber knew that at the time. Although decades later has claimed there is not much difference.

An apparent small difference in noise will make a big difference in a silent massacre attempt. And make Bamber more confident.

[Rob_]

Do you not believe Bamber would attempt a silent massacre with a silencer attached?

Whats the point of a silencer Adam when Sheila is being carried kicking and screaming from her bedroom to JB's bedroom?

[lookout]

Doubtful Bamber knew that at the time. Although decades later has claimed there is not much difference.

An apparent small difference in noise will make a big difference in a silent massacre attempt. And make Bamber more confident.

JB would have known about silencers and their uses etc. from his father, at the beginning of his association with them.

[Rob_]

Doubtful Bamber knew that at the time. Although decades later has claimed there is not much difference.

An apparent small difference in noise will make a big difference in a silent massacre attempt. And make Bamber more confident.

The silencer was to prevent rabbits/animals taking flight before the bullet arrives, which is why from a human's point of view and depending on bullet type can make little difference.

[Adam]

Whats the point of a silencer Adam when Sheila is being carried kicking and screaming from her bedroom to JB's bedroom?

It was a silent massacre attempt.

As said, Sheila could have been shot first, last, got up during the kitchen fight, put up no resistance or minimal resistance.

[Adam]

The silencer was to prevent rabbits/animals taking flight before the bullet arrives, which is why from a human's point of view and depending on bullet type can make little difference.

'Little difference' is better than 'no difference'.

The paint and blood evidence shows the silencer was used.

[Adam]

Don't believe there is anything in the court transcript from the defence about the rifle sound with/without silencer.

Bamber brought it up decades later I believe.

[Rob_]

'Little difference' is better than 'no difference'.

The paint and blood evidence shows the silencer was used.

"Little difference' is better than 'no difference" True but the silencer would make the rifle very hard to handle at close quarters.

[Roch]

the silencer would make the rifle very hard to handle at close quarters.

I don't think I have ever seen that suggested. Well done.