Is this an honest forum?

[grahameb]

PB, I can't see that Rochford's comment was directed at you. For if it was then I'm sure he would have apologised?

[Roch]

   I did indirectly insinuate that PB was 'thick as mince'.  So fair do's.  Apologies for that. 

[shonapugs]

Poor Bambi.Unlike yourself,I am living in the real world!

One of the first police officers to see Sheila that morning,described her as having only ONE bullet wound to her neck.

So did Dr.Craig when he pronounced her dead.He had 30 years experience of attending crime scenes.

The pathologist also originally mentions only the ONE wound.

And I also believe that was the "official" line at the original inquest.

Now,in the crime scene photographs of Sheila,I can clearly see two wounds.One with freshly leaking blood.Can you?

And if so,what is your explanation for that?

I wonder if Sheila's body could have leaked blood when it was moved (as it clearly was)? Although Ralph's body was stiff with rigor mortis when it was left in its bizarre position, whoever placed it had to put cushions and clothing around the aga scuttle to stop the flow of blood across the kitchen floor.

[grahameb]

Poor Bambi.Unlike yourself,I am living in the real world!

One of the first police officers to see Sheila that morning,described her as having only ONE bullet wound to her neck.

So did Dr.Craig when he pronounced her dead.He had 30 years experience of attending crime scenes.

The pathologist also originally mentions only the ONE wound.

And I also believe that was the "official" line at the original inquest.

Now,in the crime scene photographs of Sheila,I can clearly see two wounds.One with freshly leaking blood.Can you?

And if so,what is your explanation for that?

I wonder if Sheila's body could have leaked blood when it was moved (as it clearly was)? Although Ralph's body was stiff with rigor mortis when it was left in its bizarre position, whoever placed it had to put cushions and clothing around the aga scuttle to stop the flow of blood across the kitchen floor.

The problem is though, we only have the police reports regarding various blood spills. I'm not sure if tyere are photographs to back up their reports? Perhaps someone can answer this?

[Enigma]

  I did indirectly insinuate that PB was 'thick as mince'.  So fair do's.  Apologies for that.

No worries. I will cut out the sarcasm then. But if you think I am being stupid please say so and of course why.
So Rochford you have been a little vague about what you think happened with the Police armed raid; you seem to have implied that the police shot Sheila. Is that what you believe?



Sorry edited in error. No words have been changed. Grahame

[grahameb]

  I did indirectly insinuate that PB was 'thick as mince'.  So fair do's.  Apologies for that.

No worries. I will cut out the sarcasm then. But if you think I am being stupid please say so and of course why.
So Rochford you have been a little vague about what you think happened with the Police armed raid; you seem to have implied that the police shot Sheila. Is that what you believe?

PB I don't think anybody thinks you are stupid? Things are said in the heat of the moment that perhaps we regret later. It is my job to see that all things run smoothly without constricting anyone in their opinions. All opinions are valid as also are people's feelings. At the most we are all 2 dimentional creatures on the internet. Something akin to people in cars. We all seem to have a boldness that in the "real" world we may not have. But nevertheless we all deserve respect from one another. And it is therefore good that Rochford has admitted his mistake and also rectified it.

[andrea]

Are you here poor bambie simply to slate or laugh at supporters, thats the impression youre giving.

[Enigma]

My original question was "Is this an honest forum?"
I have to say to my surprise that it is. I expected to be deleted as I am totally convinced of Bamber's guilt and always have been.
As a 'newbie' I would observe that regulars respond to any difficult point or question by referring the questioner to the forum to researh the answer. Kind of kills the conversation and is perhaps the easy way out.
But the forum does allow all points of view as long as it's made in a decent manner. 

[andrea]

its not an easy way out, its just that most of us on here have been members from the begining, and we have heard and answered most questions before, thats why you were asked to do a search. no one is taking the easy way out. Any questions you have pb do a search and there will be info about it on this forum, theres tons of stuff on here. 

[andrea]

we dont ban anyone who thinks jb is guilty, just those who dont stick to the rules of the forum.


being rude to other members for example, if this forum was full of jb supporters it would be a bit boring, we need a difference of opinion in order to be able to debate, anyone can join here, just be respectable.

by the way supporters of jb have been banned in the past also.

[Enigma]

Are you here poor bambie simply to slate or laugh at supporters, thats the impression youre giving.

Not at all Andrea. I am here to challenge the Bamber is innocent campaign and also to be challenged. We have covered the rudeness point above with Grahame.

[Jackiepreece]

Ngb
Hypathetically if JB had 100% definitive proof the police lied about what happened that night and even changed statements etc It would probably lead on to the found silencer evidence discredited I would expect the relatives would probably face charges along with the police.  I am working on the assumption that it would probably be obvious at some point there was some kind of collusion between the police and the relatives.

If all these people were charged and convicted I would be interested to know how sentencing would work out if the police would have harsher sentences or they would all be treated the same.

The other question is if Ann Eaton had proof Julie Mugford lied their might be a chance she gets let off in the way Mugford did by giving evidence against JM

I was thinking if everything comes out all these people could be trying to do deals to get them out of trouble

[andrea]

hi jack 


i cant see the family getting into any trouble if jb is found innocent.

police heads will roll, but the family ?   nah, i cant see it myself.

the police should never have allowed the family to have the influence they had.

[ngb1066]

Ngb
Hypathetically if JB had 100% definitive proof the police lied about what happened that night and even changed statements etc It would probably lead on to the found silencer evidence discredited I would expect the relatives would probably face charges along with the police.  I am working on the assumption that it would probably be obvious at some point there was some kind of collusion between the police and the relatives.

If all these people were charged and convicted I would be interested to know how sentencing would work out if the police would have harsher sentences or they would all be treated the same.

The other question is if Ann Eaton had proof Julie Mugford lied their might be a chance she gets let off in the way Mugford did by giving evidence against JM

I was thinking if everything comes out all these people could be trying to do deals to get them out of trouble

Jackie   - whether prosecutions of trial witnesses would follow a successful appeal by Jeremy Bamber would depend upon the nature of the new evidence presented as the basis for the appeal.  If this evidence showed clearly that certain witnesses at trial lied (as opposed to making honest mistakes in their evidence) then prosecutions could follow for perjury and perverting the course of justice. 

If trial witnesses were found guilty of perjury and/or perverting the course of justice the sentences imposed would be severe.  Police officers would be dealt with more severely than civilians.

As far as deals are concerned it is possible that some might try to secure more lenient treatment by cooperating with the prosecution and giving evidence against others.  However I very much doubt if it would be possible to do the same deal as Julie Mugford did to avoid prosecution.  That might be possible if someone came forward now and spilled the beans but if Jeremy Bamber is released as a result of the efforts of his team in uncovering new evidence it will be too late for a witness to secure immmunity.  The best that could be hoped for would be a reduced sentence as a reward for cooperation.

[ngb1066]

hi jack 


i cant see the family getting into any trouble if jb is found innocent.

police heads will roll, but the family ?   nah, i cant see it myself.

the police should never have allowed the family to have the influence they had.

I agree that the police are in a far more vulnerable position than other trial witnesses.  However if clear proof could be established of fabrication of the key silencer/paint/blood/scratches evidence then I would not rule out prosecution of those responsible.