Is this an honest forum?

[Hartley]

You never know 

[Enigma]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

[Roch]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

His conviction is like something out of the Fortean Times though.  A person would have to be blind, deaf and dumb (literally thick as mince) to not notice the chain of hints that point to Sheila Caffell having been involved in an incident with the raid team? 

[grahameb]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

I meant that it is not fair to call for who else had a motive and then criticise when someone names someone. It isn't about who is a proven murderer or not. It is about who else had a motive. You asked the question so why cry out assassination as soon as somene gives an example?

[tyler]

Rochford,I agree.An incident involving the firearms team IS looking very likely indeed.All of the evidence appears to point that way.

[grahameb]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

I wish I had your faith in our so called justice system PB. If those high up in the police are involved in corruption that doesn't inspire confidence in me at all. For if members of even the government and aids to the Prime Minister himself are involved, who's to tell how far up the ladder this corruption may go?

By the way this is not just a suggestion that other members of the family had the motive, it has been shown on this forum that some of them surely did have the motive. Do a search and you will see.

[Enigma]

Rochford,I agree.An incident involving the firearms team IS looking very likely indeed.All of the evidence appears to point that way.

OMFG! Ha ha ha ha Am I understanding this correctly? Are you suggesting that the raid team shot Sheila? Please tell me you're not saying that?

That means the raid team are framing Bamber then? They used the same .22 caliber bullets as Bamber used did they .... they killed Sheila then laid the rifle on her body and descided to frame the family member standing outside the house at the time? Did they get the pathologist in on the framing too .... swapping the police bullets for the type Jeremy used?

That is just beyond ridiculous and very funny!

Soon one of you supporters is going to suggest that Myra Hindley escaped from prison unnoticed, killed the family then broke back into prison. Then the rest of the supporters will agree that's something well worth looking into!
Then another supporter will ask 'can I prove that Myra didn't do it?'.

Little green assassins next? 


What planet are you living on

[grahameb]

Rochford,I agree.An incident involving the firearms team IS looking very likely indeed.All of the evidence appears to point that way.

OMFG! Ha ha ha ha Am I understanding this correctly? Are you suggesting that the raid team shot Sheila? Please tell me you're not saying that?

That means the raid team are framing Bamber then? They used the same .22 caliber bullets as Bamber used did they .... they killed Sheila then laid the rifle on her body and descided to frame the family member standing outside the house at the time? Did they get the pathologist in on the framing too .... swapping the police bullets for the type Jeremy used?

That is just beyond ridiculous and very funny!

Soon one of you supporters is going to suggest that Myra Hindley escaped from prison unnoticed, killed the family then broke back into prison. Then the rest of the supporters will agree that's something well worth looking into!
Then another supporter will ask 'can I prove that Myra didn't do it?'.

Little green assassins next? 


What planet are you living on

Well in actual fact if you look at the x-ray of Sheila's neck you will see one bullet has shattered. But that shattered bullet suddenly appeared as a whole bullet when presented in court. Anomaly or not? But the police are certainly covering up something or they would readily agree to release various documents and photographs currently listed under PII. Which they haven't. Suspicious or not?
Also in certain statements the bodies of Sheila and June were described as being on the bed with the rifle between them. But in the official police reports Both bodies were photographed as being on the floor. Mike Tesko can swear on oath that he has seen a photograph of Sheila's body being originally on the bed. But was moved by the police to the floor where it has been demonstrated that she could not possibly have been shot in that position. All these things must be explained.

[chochokeira]

You've become very preachy just lately Roch, everything okay?

I guess we're on the 'go slow' without much happening until September, hopefully Mike posting the new statements will help to keep people occupied gor a while.

Ill cut the sermons out hartley       Yes mate, the more attachments and stuff the better.  We might even see PB posting on them     

I don't see you as preachy, Rocky, just principled.

[Enigma]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

His conviction is like something out of the Fortean Times though.  A person would have to be blind, deaf and dumb (literally thick as mince) to not notice the chain of hints that point to Sheila Caffell having been involved in an incident with the raid team?

Welcome to Planet Rochford!
Do you think that The News Of The World could have hired Andy McNab to to kill the family and frame Jeremy?
I am thinking beatification for Jeremy? He should be a Saint don't you think?   

[Enigma]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

I meant that it is not fair to call for who else had a motive and then criticise when someone names someone. It isn't about who is a proven murderer or not. It is about who else had a motive. You asked the question so why cry out assassination as soon as somene gives an example?

I agree that wouldn't be fair. I would like to point out I have never asked who else had a motive .... please don't quote what I haven't said. Ta

[ngb1066]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

His conviction is like something out of the Fortean Times though.  A person would have to be blind, deaf and dumb (literally thick as mince) to not notice the chain of hints that point to Sheila Caffell having been involved in an incident with the raid team?

Welcome to Planet Rochford!
Do you think that The News Of The World could have hired Andy McNab to to kill the family and frame Jeremy?
I am thinking beatification for Jeremy? He should be a Saint don't you think?

PB   -   I do not know what you are trying to achieve by your posts but the sarcasm and mockery you are directing against those presenting serious arguments on this forum adds nothing whatsoever to the debate.   Why do you not try to engage in some constructive debate about the issues raised on this forum?  That would be of much more interest to members of the forum, regardless of their individual viewpoint on Jeremy Bamber's guilt. 

[tyler]

Poor Bambi.Unlike yourself,I am living in the real world!

One of the first police officers to see Sheila that morning,described her as having only ONE bullet wound to her neck.

So did Dr.Craig when he pronounced her dead.He had 30 years experience of attending crime scenes.

The pathologist also originally mentions only the ONE wound.

And I also believe that was the "official" line at the original inquest.

Now,in the crime scene photographs of Sheila,I can clearly see two wounds.One with freshly leaking blood.Can you?

And if so,what is your explanation for that?

[grahameb]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

I meant that it is not fair to call for who else had a motive and then criticise when someone names someone. It isn't about who is a proven murderer or not. It is about who else had a motive. You asked the question so why cry out assassination as soon as somene gives an example?

I agree that wouldn't be fair. I would like to point out I have never asked who else had a motive .... please don't quote what I haven't said. Ta

Erm, sorry PB, but you have obviously forgotten your own post?

Who on earth besides Jeremy had a motive to kill a hard working church going elderly farmer and his wife and their harmless if a little unstable daughter? Let alone 6 year old twins boys?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1146.msg35197.html#msg35197

[Enigma]

To get to the truth we need a prime time doc featuring heavily on Mugford an Ann eaton
Mugfords part shows the cheque fraud, her at the funeral, her at the mortuary, her trying to smother Jeremy and her doing the notw deal

Ann eaton where do I start

Absolutely gripping stuff for tv

Yeah lets do a completely pro Bamber assination job on anyone who dares to think Bamber is guilty. Make sure that Barbara Wilson nor Sheila's ex husband nor the whole extened family aren't allowed to express their views ok? I mean they all know Jeremy did it. You wouldn't want that on tv would you?

Well that's not fair PB. It was you who called for who else had the motive to kill the family and now you protest when people suggest a few who had the motive and call them assassins. When it seems ok for you to do the same to Jeremy Bamber?

Jeremy Bamber is a proven multiple murderer; he assasinated his whole immediate family. Calling him such is hardly unfair; I mean it's been proved at trial.
You have to admit that Jeremy proved by his telephone call to the police that either he did it or Sheila did it. To then suggest that extended family members had means and motive is what is totally unfair.

His conviction is like something out of the Fortean Times though.  A person would have to be blind, deaf and dumb (literally thick as mince) to not notice the chain of hints that point to Sheila Caffell having been involved in an incident with the raid team?

Welcome to Planet Rochford!
Do you think that The News Of The World could have hired Andy McNab to to kill the family and frame Jeremy?
I am thinking beatification for Jeremy? He should be a Saint don't you think?

PB   -   I do not know what you are trying to achieve by your posts but the sarcasm and mockery you are directing against those presenting serious arguments on this forum adds nothing whatsoever to the debate.   Why do you not try to engage in some constructive debate about the issues raised on this forum?  That would be of much more interest to members of the forum, regardless of their individual viewpoint on Jeremy Bamber's guilt.

Well when you are called 'as thick as mince' (by Rochford) if you don't agree with what I consider a ridiculous proposition (that the police shot Sheila) one tends to respond  sarcastically. I am quite happy to cut that out if I am not insulted first. Seem fair?