Is this an honest forum?

[mike tesko]

Greed lies at the center of any action or activity performed by the relatives, and or Julie Mugford - lets look at the land deal involving the unpaid monies borrowed from Ralph Bamber, by the Eatons/Boutflour, and how these debts were written out of Ralph's estate for the financial benefit of one lot of the relatives, as opposed to the disadvantages this deception imposed on other relatives? If you add to these dishonest activities, the fact that at least one of the relatives fell under suspicion of commiting fraud offenses connected to the account of N & J Bamber Ltd, it becomes increasingly clear that an element of greed played some role on the activities of the relatives in this case. Similarly, July Mugford's evidence was tainted by thoughts of revenge, and motivated by the financial incentive of her £25,000 News of the World, contract - so, as can be seen, a degree of 'greed' is what motivated the relatives, and Mugford...

[grahameb]

Wow I am shocked my post hasn't been removed. Beetroot or no beetroot! I think my original post is quite well constructed actually and I notice that no replies refute anything I said.

It is because we've seen the same old unintelligent dirge before again and again repeated by PB (poor bastards) who have never done one iota of original thinking in their lives. But are content to steal other people's writings instead. Obviously we would respect your views if you had any real intelligence to read all the evidence that indicated Bamber's innocence. Instead of only believing in the light that enters through the cracks in your own roof. Please do us a favour. Do a bit more reading with an open mind before coming here with your own half baked theories. I find your posts offensive and inflammatory. Take care how you post in the future. And whilst I'm about it how about going to the foyer and introduding yourself before you charge into the living room with your muddy boots. Be nice to others and you may be surprised they may even be nice to you? But as it is I have no respect for your rudeness.

[Enigma]

poor bambi, as for people not challenging your opinion, we have heard it all before......NEXT

Yes my dear you have heard it all before. At Bamber's trial and appeal and that's exactly what convicted him. It's called the facts of the case!

[Enigma]

Are you David Shaw , poor Bambi ?

No. I don't know who David Shaw is ..... my name is Tim Bennett and I believe and always have believed that Bamber is where he belongs. Justice has been served. My email is [email protected] ... maybe this will stop people wondering if I am other people I do not know.

[Enigma]

Erm I think the poster "poor bambi" is threatening to commit suicide if "poor bambi" ever comes to the realisation that JB is innocent.
How genuine this offer is , awaits to be seen as it may just be a false claim from which "poor bambi" is then left struggling in the credibility and reliablity stakes?

The problem for "poor bambi" is that he/she makes reckless claims which are far from the truth and the claimed view held is brought into doubt in the very same post.

so it is not whether the "forum is honest" for that seems purely to be an attack on all of  its contributors which is very silly indeed when the poster making the claim looks far from "honest" themselves.

'Reckless claims' that sent Bamber to prison for a 'whole life tarrif'! I have no idea where I inferred that I would commit suicide if Bamber were to be freed? I would like to state that I wouldn't commit suicide but seeing as he will never be freed it's a mute point really.

[Enigma]

PB, what decided it for you? For me, it was the images of Sheila's body.

The facts of the case decided it for me.

[Enigma]

Wow I am shocked my post hasn't been removed. Beetroot or no beetroot! I think my original post is quite well constructed actually and I notice that no replies refute anything I said.
I am not David Shaw nor that woman you mentioned; just someone who has always followed this case and has always been convinced of Jeremy's guilt. I feel dreadfully sorry for what happened to decent people murdered by a preening sociopath and am always delighted when Jeremy's appeals fail. He will die in prison then rot in hell.
Try listening to David Balfour, the father's secretary, Sheila's ex-husband, the police officers involved and Julie Mugford. They are all decent people who suffered a terrible loss and they all know that Jeremy did it without a shadow of a doubt.
So many people have to be lying, vindictive, greedy or incompetent for Jeremy to be innocent. And you choose to believe the scumbag who tried to sell private porno photos of Sheila to The Sun. Wake up and smell the coffee!

You're entitled to your opinion.  It's not ringing true with my understanding or gut feeling on the case.  I wonder whether some people might suffer from 'villain syndrome'.  It's a condition I have diagnosed in quite a few people I know.  When a terrible crime has happened, people need a villain.  I'm afraid in this case, the villain appears to be a paper one, constructed by others for their own purposes and out of their own prejudices.  But the problem is, a lot of people don't readily give up the defensive crutch of having a villain for a crime like this.  Cops = good / Villains = bad isn't always the right equation and life just isn't always that simple.

I agree life isn't that simple. But please refute anything I originally posted with facts or at least an argument against what I have said. I truly can't understand how you people can have been so hoodwinked by Bamber and I would welcome some giving me clear reasons why you think he is innocent.

[Jackiepreece]

We adore him!!!!

You just dont get it do you


Team Bamber

So proud of the way he handles his siuation

We believe in him

[Enigma]

Wow I am shocked my post hasn't been removed. Beetroot or no beetroot! I think my original post is quite well constructed actually and I notice that no replies refute anything I said.

It is because we've seen the same old unintelligent dirge before again and again repeated by PB (poor bastards) who have never done one iota of original thinking in their lives. But are content to steal other people's writings instead. Obviously we would respect your views if you had any real intelligence to read all the evidence that indicated Bamber's innocence. Instead of only believing in the light that enters through the cracks in your own roof. Please do us a favour. Do a bit more reading with an open mind before coming here with your own half baked theories. I find your posts offensive and inflammatory. Take care how you post in the future. And whilst I'm about it how about going to the foyer and introduding yourself before you charge into the living room with your muddy boots. Be nice to others and you may be surprised they may even be nice to you? But as it is I have no respect for your rudeness.

Isn't that the 'unintelligent dirge' that got Bamber a life conviction and has lead to all his appeals failing? But you do make a good point; I did come in with a hostile attitude as I expected my post to be removed and not a word to be heard that Bamber is in fact guilty. I was wrong you. 
I can assure you that my thoughts are not stolen from anyone else. They are the case as I understand it. I will endeavour to be more open minded though if someone would refute any of the original facts of the case as I stated them.
I will fight for Bamber's innocense if someone can show me that black is in fact white, night is in fact day and Jeremy Bamber is not a murdering swine.

[Jackiepreece]

Poor bambi

When you show me one single piece of evidence against my friend Jeremy then I might believe you.

Please feel free to post it here but I wont hold my breath because I know for a FACT there is nothing

I know more about whats going on than you but you are lucky at least you have a surprise coming

I love surprises but I know already

[Enigma]

We adore him!!!!

You just dont get it do you


Team Bamber

So proud of the way he handles his siuation

We believe in him

Are you proud of the way he tried to sell private porno photos of Sheila to The Sun? I mean even The Sun was appalled and just exposed him for the scumbag he is.
I hope for your sake the you're being ironic or amusing in some obscure way when you refer to 'Team Bamber' or you are truly one of the saddest people I have ever come across!

[Enigma]

Poor bambi

When you show me one single piece of evidence against my friend Jeremy then I might believe you.

Please feel free to post it here but I wont hold my breath because I know for a FACT there is nothing

I know more about whats going on than you but you are lucky at least you have a surprise coming

I love surprises but I know already

Jeremy has a friend!
You have a friend!
That's two surprises already!
I bet you don't have a sparkling social life with your friend.
The facts of the case have proven 'your friend' is guilty.
Innocent until proved guilty.
Once proven guilty surely as one of Jeremy's friends you need to prove that he is indeed innocent with facts that refute his obverse guilt.
Meawhile Jeremy fails at every appeal and rots in prison for decades. Just what is a friend to do?   

[Reader]

What evidence (given at trial or found elsewhere) shows that JB personally tried to sell such photos to the Sun? Did JM state at JB's trial that she would be paid a large sum if JB were convicted? If the trial evidence was as convincing as you seem to think, why were two jurors not convinced? Would you agree that it's quite possible that more than two jurors would not have been convinced of JB's guilt if the jury had known about JM's prospective payout? If you're correct about JB, what sort of person was JM to side with Jeremy for about a month until she fell out with him?

[Roch]

Wow I am shocked my post hasn't been removed. Beetroot or no beetroot! I think my original post is quite well constructed actually and I notice that no replies refute anything I said.

It is because we've seen the same old unintelligent dirge before again and again repeated by PB (poor bastards) who have never done one iota of original thinking in their lives. But are content to steal other people's writings instead. Obviously we would respect your views if you had any real intelligence to read all the evidence that indicated Bamber's innocence. Instead of only believing in the light that enters through the cracks in your own roof. Please do us a favour. Do a bit more reading with an open mind before coming here with your own half baked theories. I find your posts offensive and inflammatory. Take care how you post in the future. And whilst I'm about it how about going to the foyer and introduding yourself before you charge into the living room with your muddy boots. Be nice to others and you may be surprised they may even be nice to you? But as it is I have no respect for your rudeness.

Isn't that the 'unintelligent dirge' that got Bamber a life conviction and has lead to all his appeals failing? But you do make a good point; I did come in with a hostile attitude as I expected my post to be removed and not a word to be heard that Bamber is in fact guilty. I was wrong you. 
I can assure you that my thoughts are not stolen from anyone else. They are the case as I understand it. I will endeavour to be more open minded though if someone would refute any of the original facts of the case as I stated them.
I will fight for Bamber's innocense if someone can show me that black is in fact white, night is in fact day and Jeremy Bamber is not a murdering swine.

A good place for you to start would be to debate on some of the attachments.  The forum is littered with them.  Happy hunting.

[Hartley]

What evidence (given at trial or found elsewhere) shows that JB personally tried to sell such photos to the Sun? Did JM state at JB's trial that she would be paid a large sum if JB were convicted? If the trial evidence was as convincing as you seem to think, why were two jurors not convinced? Would you agree that it's quite possible that more than two jurors would not have been convinced of JB's guilt if the jury had known about JM's prospective payout? If you're correct about JB, what sort of person was JM to side with Jeremy for about a month until she fell out with him?

Well it appears that JB had a similar deal and knew about JM's deal, if the jury didn't know, then the defence had ample opportunity to inform them.