A great post from the facebook group.

[handymanz]

In 1986 I was travelling to an inter-school cross country event at Greshams. All that was spoken about on the bus was the Bamber case. I was 16 at the time.
Until I watched White House Farm on Netflix  I hadn’t thought any more about him. All I remembered was that he was just a psycho, I mean that’s how the media had portrayed him and that's all I remembered. For 35 years I hadn’t watched or read anything else to give me a different opinion.
After school I partied, travelled, SCUBA dived around the world and pretty much for the past 35 years have had a life that he has been denied. 
I also have two adopted children. At the time of adopting them I always remembered the Bamber case  - I always wondered how many families haven’t looked at adoption because they would end up with a “psycho killer ..” It certainly crossed my mind.
So going back to the drama it was Stephen Grahams one line in that drama where he said ”Just because he’s an arrogant twat that doesn’t make him a mass murderer” that really struck a chord with me and made me look into all this more.
The day after I watched the drama I rang an old friend, ex-public school boy,  who is an Essex farmer, he has a dad that reminded me of Neville and a family home very similar architecturally to White House Farm.
As Essex farmers all pretty much know one another I thought that he must think something about this case.
When I asked him he laughed. “Jeremy was playing tennis a week after the shootings with my ex-girlfriend, loads of us knew him and none of us ever thought it was him, it was just ridiculous…”
We also compared our times at public schools in the 80’s and we both agreed you were pretty much ENCOURAGED to be an arrogant twat, I mean you were above the riff riff and commoners  because you were at an expensive school and that arrogance “made”  you successful (just look at the ex-public school boy arrogant twats running the country right now).
So since then I’ve taken the red pill and gone down all the groups and documentaries and every episode of the EXCELLENT podcast and am just amazed at not only the cover up but also Jeremy’s incredible resilience. I just cannot imagine how anyone can live a life like he has fighting for his name. To be honest all the discussions on the group about paint flakes, hair in the moderator etc. can go on infinitum - all you really need to do is listen to the interview with Terry Mullins which to me just proves without a shadow of a doubt his innocence.
As a documentary filmmaker I was pretty disappointed with the cherry picking of information in order to make the Theroux backed documentary  - I understand what they were doing but I felt it really lacked the in-depth approach a US backed Netflix doc would have taken. When Jeremy is released I’m pretty sure production companies will be falling over themselves to interview him. After 36 years he’ll have the time to choose the right ones who really want to tell the story properly rather than in an OTT telly drama way. I think this story by then deserves a real cinematic theatrical release kind of film rather than a broadcast funded piece of throwaway telly. I mean it is the most important miscarriage of justice in British history. It’s a gigantic story.
I think It's the kind of production that could easily get crowdfunded and enable Jeremy and the campaign team to really get involved in the nitty gritty of telling the story properly without any outside influences. I’d definitely be interested in helping out if it came to that, I have a doc airing on C4 in a couple of weeks and have shot award winning independent films so have a bit of knowledge and some great contacts on that front. Just a thought.

[JackieD]

Wow

[Adam]

In 1986 I was travelling to an inter-school cross country event at Greshams. All that was spoken about on the bus was the Bamber case. I was 16 at the time.
Until I watched White House Farm on Netflix  I hadn’t thought any more about him. All I remembered was that he was just a psycho, I mean that’s how the media had portrayed him and that's all I remembered. For 35 years I hadn’t watched or read anything else to give me a different opinion.
After school I partied, travelled, SCUBA dived around the world and pretty much for the past 35 years have had a life that he has been denied. 
I also have two adopted children. At the time of adopting them I always remembered the Bamber case  - I always wondered how many families haven’t looked at adoption because they would end up with a “psycho killer ..” It certainly crossed my mind.
So going back to the drama it was Stephen Grahams one line in that drama where he said ”Just because he’s an arrogant twat that doesn’t make him a mass murderer” that really struck a chord with me and made me look into all this more.
The day after I watched the drama I rang an old friend, ex-public school boy,  who is an Essex farmer, he has a dad that reminded me of Neville and a family home very similar architecturally to White House Farm.
As Essex farmers all pretty much know one another I thought that he must think something about this case.
When I asked him he laughed. “Jeremy was playing tennis a week after the shootings with my ex-girlfriend, loads of us knew him and none of us ever thought it was him, it was just ridiculous…”
We also compared our times at public schools in the 80’s and we both agreed you were pretty much ENCOURAGED to be an arrogant twat, I mean you were above the riff riff and commoners  because you were at an expensive school and that arrogance “made”  you successful (just look at the ex-public school boy arrogant twats running the country right now).
So since then I’ve taken the red pill and gone down all the groups and documentaries and every episode of the EXCELLENT podcast and am just amazed at not only the cover up but also Jeremy’s incredible resilience. I just cannot imagine how anyone can live a life like he has fighting for his name. To be honest all the discussions on the group about paint flakes, hair in the moderator etc. can go on infinitum - all you really need to do is listen to the interview with Terry Mullins which to me just proves without a shadow of a doubt his innocence.
As a documentary filmmaker I was pretty disappointed with the cherry picking of information in order to make the Theroux backed documentary  - I understand what they were doing but I felt it really lacked the in-depth approach a US backed Netflix doc would have taken. When Jeremy is released I’m pretty sure production companies will be falling over themselves to interview him. After 36 years he’ll have the time to choose the right ones who really want to tell the story properly rather than in an OTT telly drama way. I think this story by then deserves a real cinematic theatrical release kind of film rather than a broadcast funded piece of throwaway telly. I mean it is the most important miscarriage of justice in British history. It’s a gigantic story.
I think It's the kind of production that could easily get crowdfunded and enable Jeremy and the campaign team to really get involved in the nitty gritty of telling the story properly without any outside influences. I’d definitely be interested in helping out if it came to that, I have a doc airing on C4 in a couple of weeks and have shot award winning independent films so have a bit of knowledge and some great contacts on that front. Just a thought.

'When Jeremy is released I’m pretty sure production companies will be falling over themselves to interview him'

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That has helped keep him going.

[killingeve]

In 1986 I was travelling to an inter-school cross country event at Greshams. All that was spoken about on the bus was the Bamber case. I was 16 at the time.
Until I watched White House Farm on Netflix  I hadn’t thought any more about him. All I remembered was that he was just a psycho, I mean that’s how the media had portrayed him and that's all I remembered. For 35 years I hadn’t watched or read anything else to give me a different opinion.
After school I partied, travelled, SCUBA dived around the world and pretty much for the past 35 years have had a life that he has been denied. 
I also have two adopted children. At the time of adopting them I always remembered the Bamber case  - I always wondered how many families haven’t looked at adoption because they would end up with a “psycho killer ..” It certainly crossed my mind.
So going back to the drama it was Stephen Grahams one line in that drama where he said ”Just because he’s an arrogant twat that doesn’t make him a mass murderer” that really struck a chord with me and made me look into all this more.
The day after I watched the drama I rang an old friend, ex-public school boy,  who is an Essex farmer, he has a dad that reminded me of Neville and a family home very similar architecturally to White House Farm.
As Essex farmers all pretty much know one another I thought that he must think something about this case.
When I asked him he laughed. “Jeremy was playing tennis a week after the shootings with my ex-girlfriend, loads of us knew him and none of us ever thought it was him, it was just ridiculous…”
We also compared our times at public schools in the 80’s and we both agreed you were pretty much ENCOURAGED to be an arrogant twat, I mean you were above the riff riff and commoners  because you were at an expensive school and that arrogance “made”  you successful (just look at the ex-public school boy arrogant twats running the country right now).
So since then I’ve taken the red pill and gone down all the groups and documentaries and every episode of the EXCELLENT podcast and am just amazed at not only the cover up but also Jeremy’s incredible resilience. I just cannot imagine how anyone can live a life like he has fighting for his name. To be honest all the discussions on the group about paint flakes, hair in the moderator etc. can go on infinitum - all you really need to do is listen to the interview with Terry Mullins which to me just proves without a shadow of a doubt his innocence.
As a documentary filmmaker I was pretty disappointed with the cherry picking of information in order to make the Theroux backed documentary  - I understand what they were doing but I felt it really lacked the in-depth approach a US backed Netflix doc would have taken. When Jeremy is released I’m pretty sure production companies will be falling over themselves to interview him. After 36 years he’ll have the time to choose the right ones who really want to tell the story properly rather than in an OTT telly drama way. I think this story by then deserves a real cinematic theatrical release kind of film rather than a broadcast funded piece of throwaway telly. I mean it is the most important miscarriage of justice in British history. It’s a gigantic story.
I think It's the kind of production that could easily get crowdfunded and enable Jeremy and the campaign team to really get involved in the nitty gritty of telling the story properly without any outside influences. I’d definitely be interested in helping out if it came to that, I have a doc airing on C4 in a couple of weeks and have shot award winning independent films so have a bit of knowledge and some great contacts on that front. Just a thought.

Bamber wasn't at public school in the 80's.  He left Greshams in 1977.

[lookout]

What can I say, handyman-----just brilliant, even though it doesn't surprise me. Many thanks for that.

Resilience equals Intelligence ! Or vice-versa.

[Rob_]

Thanks for posting this very interesting.

I like you thought JB was 100% guilty but became interested in the case after watching the WHF series on Netflix, I became very doubtful when the toxicology results for Sheila came back negative. I just could not see how the killer could shot Sheila under the chin and make it look like suicide.

I kept thinking when is the damming evidence going to turn up and it never did.

Leaving the silence in the cupboard? all he had to do was leave it beside Sheila and he was home and dry. Nothing makes sense unless he planned to get caught!

Thanks also for pointing out why he appeared to some as arrogant.

[Adam]

Thanks for posting this very interesting.

I like you thought JB was 100% guilty but became interested in the case after watching the WHF series on Netflix, I became very doubtful when the toxicology results for Sheila came back negative. I just could not see how the killer could shot Sheila under the chin and make it look like suicide.

I kept thinking when is the damming evidence going to turn up and it never did.

Leaving the silence in the cupboard? all he had to do was leave it beside Sheila and he was home and dry. Nothing makes sense unless he planned to get caught!

Thanks also for pointing out why he appeared to some as arrogant.

I just could not see how the killer could shot Sheila under the chin and make it look like suicide.

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The killer would put the rifle under Sheila's chin. Then pull the trigger.

[Adam]

Thanks for posting this very interesting.

I like you thought JB was 100% guilty but became interested in the case after watching the WHF series on Netflix, I became very doubtful when the toxicology results for Sheila came back negative. I just could not see how the killer could shot Sheila under the chin and make it look like suicide.

I kept thinking when is the damming evidence going to turn up and it never did.

Leaving the silence in the cupboard? all he had to do was leave it beside Sheila and he was home and dry. Nothing makes sense unless he planned to get caught!

Thanks also for pointing out why he appeared to some as arrogant.

'I kept thinking when is the damming evidence going to turn up and it never did.'

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I've already posted over 70 pieces of forensic evidence.

Circumstantial evidence is even more.

[Adam]

Thanks for posting this very interesting.

I like you thought JB was 100% guilty but became interested in the case after watching the WHF series on Netflix, I became very doubtful when the toxicology results for Sheila came back negative. I just could not see how the killer could shot Sheila under the chin and make it look like suicide.

I kept thinking when is the damming evidence going to turn up and it never did.

Leaving the silence in the cupboard? all he had to do was leave it beside Sheila and he was home and dry. Nothing makes sense unless he planned to get caught!

Thanks also for pointing out why he appeared to some as arrogant.

Leaving the silence in the cupboard? all he had to do was leave it beside Sheila and he was home and dry.

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I have created a thread this week why he did not leave the silencer out.

You did not dispute any of them or give counter reasons why he would.

[Adam]

Think Rob is on a wind up.

[lookout]

Think Rob is on a wind up.

On the contrary, you've been doing it for years !

[David1819]

On the contrary, you've been doing it for years !

70 pieces of bullshit. 

[Adam]

70 pieces of bullshit. 

Thought that would awaken David.

Each piece has at least one source. Not sure what else I can do. But open to suggestions.

I will re post for Rob.

[Adam]

 1.

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA


2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA


3.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.


4.

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


5.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.


6.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.


7.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.


8.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


9.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


10.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


11.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER, JUDGE.


12.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


13.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA


14.

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


15.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


16.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER.


17.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.


18.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


19.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


20.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


21.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


22.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.


23.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


24.

Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - COA.


25.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


26.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


27.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.


28.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


29.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


30.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


31.

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


32.

Sheila's blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


33.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - COA.


34.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.


35.

Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.


36.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - COA.


37.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE, COA.


38.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.


39.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE, COA.


40.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.


41.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER, COA.


42.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - COA.


43.

No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.


44.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.


45.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - COA.


46.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS, COA.


47.

June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.


48.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion by Bamber in 2012 CCRC submission burns were caused minus silencer - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME, COA.


49.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.


50.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.


51.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - COA.


52.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COA.


53.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.


54.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.


55.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - COA.


56.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER, COA.


57.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.


58.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - COA.


59.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.


60.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.


61.

Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - COA.


62.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.


63.

Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER


64.

Housekeeper evidence of items around the kitchen sink being moved on massacre night - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK


65.

Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.


66.

Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.


67.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - Not disputed. CRIME SCENE PICTURES, COA.


68.

Dried blood on Sheila - Not Disputed. PATHOLOGIST.


69.

Sheila having to load prior to first shots - Not disputed. COA


70.

Blood in silencer being Sheila's with remote possibility of being a mixture of June and Nevill's. Meaning the silencer was used. Not disputed. COA.


71:


Nevill having the oppportunity to restrain Sheila while fully fit prior to her firing shots. Not disputed. AGREED BY ALL PARTIES.

72:

Sheila never having fired a rifle before - BAMBER. Not disputed.

73:

Sheila never loaded, chambered & breached a rifle before - BAMBER.  Not disputed.

74:

No gun shot residue on Sheila's hands. COA. Not disputed.

[Adam]

As far as I know the CT disputes two of the 71 pieces.

They agree the silencer sent for testing had Sheila's blood & aga paint on/in. But say this is due to fabrication.