Podcast by Bamber's support group containing information about 03/21 submission

[ngb1066]

NGB1066, are you able to outline for me please claims of a second silencer?  As I understand it there was only 1 firearm at the farmhouse compatible with the silencer.  But I have also read Mr Bamber's nephew kept his firearms at the farmhouse and I think one of them might have been compatible with the Bamber owned silencer.  Therefore its possible he may have kept his own silencer at the farmhouse although I haven't read anything to this effect.  If I am barking up the wrong tree with the nephew then I guess the claim centres around the same model silencer being introduced from elsewhere eg the local relatives who I believe owned numerous firearms and no doubt accessories eg silencers.  In fact thinking about it now I think I recall reading something about David Boutflour owning a Parker Hale silencer but presumably these things are commonplace for owners of .22 rifles?

There are several questions here and I will do my best to answer them.  The Parker Hale sound moderator was by far the most common make for use with rimfire rifles and provided that a rifle barrel is threaded to accept a sound moderator the Parker Hale will fit as it is a very standard thread.  Certainly the one owned by Nevill Bamber would fit the Pargeter Brno .22 rifle just as well as the Anschutz.  Anthony Pargeter owned an identical sound moderator and that was also kept at WHF (Pargeter has given conflicting accounts about this at different times but that does not matter for this answer). Both Robert and David Boutflour also each owned a Parker Hale sound moderator and at some stage I understand these were also collected and examined by police.  That makes four sound moderators.  Finally, the FSS at Huntingdon had a Parker Hale moderator in stock and this was also used for some of their work on the case.  There were therefore at different times a total of five identical Parker Hale sound moderators which featured in the case.   

[Steve_uk]

All Jeremy has to prove, as he has continually tried to do, is prove it wasn’t him.
He does not have to prove it was Sheila only because a Masonic Judge directed the jury to believe that.

But if it wasn't Sheila or Jeremy the purported telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy which was the start of this whole tragedy was a work of fiction on the part of Jeremy, which comes as no surprise to those of us who believe a large part of his statements to police and court testimony was a pack of lies.

[Aunt Agatha]

But if it wasn't Sheila or Jeremy the purported telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy which was the start of this whole tragedy was a work of fiction on the part of Jeremy, which comes as no surprise to those of us who believe a large part of his statements to police and court testimony was a pack of lies.

Not necessarily!

I think that Jeremy had to be brought to the house as he too was supposed to be a victim in this massacre.

N was directed to get his son over by stating , your sister has gone mad,!’

He took this one opportunity to alert Jeremy in the hope of saving his life by adding ‘She’s got a gun!!’
Something for which he took a heavy beating.

[Steve_uk]

Not necessarily!

I think that Jeremy had to be brought to the house as he too was supposed to be a victim in this massacre.

N was directed to get his son over by stating , your sister has gone mad,!’

He took this one opportunity to alert Jeremy in the hope of saving his life by adding ‘She’s got a gun!!’
Something for which he took a heavy beating.

Nevill never took orders from anyone.

[Aunt Agatha]

Nevill never took orders from anyone.

And he never took direct orders in this instance either.

[Steve_uk]

And he never took direct orders in this instance either.

So what does "directed to get his son over" mean exactly? I'm beginning to think you should remain a spasmodic poster.

[ngb1066]

So what does "directed to get his son over" mean exactly? I'm beginning to think you should remain a spasmodic poster.

Again you are being gratuitously rude.  Why do you consider that necessary?

[Aunt Agatha]

So what does "directed to get his son over" mean exactly? I'm beginning to think you should remain a spasmodic poster.

I was not there and neither was Jeremy.

We know what was said during the call.

No father would willingly invite his son over to a blood massacre. He more than likely knew he was going to be killed anyway and therefore took the opportunity, the only opportunity, to save his own son.

Jeremy called the good as a result, which was not in the planning.

Why do I have to keep feeding you?

Put yourself in his shoes. What would you have done under the circumstances?

[Adam]

I was not there and neither was Jeremy.

We know what was said during the call.

No father would willingly invite his son over to a blood massacre. He more than likely knew he was going to be killed anyway and therefore took the opportunity, the only opportunity, to save his own son.

Jeremy called the good as a result, which was not in the planning.

Why do I have to keep feeding you?

Put yourself in his shoes. What would you have done under the circumstances?

No father would willingly invite his son over to a blood massacre

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Agree with that.

[killingeve]

There are several questions here and I will do my best to answer them.  The Parker Hale sound moderator was by far the most common make for use with rimfire rifles and provided that a rifle barrel is threaded to accept a sound moderator the Parker Hale will fit as it is a very standard thread.  Certainly the one owned by Nevill Bamber would fit the Pargeter Brno .22 rifle just as well as the Anschutz.  Anthony Pargeter owned an identical sound moderator and that was also kept at WHF (Pargeter has given conflicting accounts about this at different times but that does not matter for this answer). Both Robert and David Boutflour also each owned a Parker Hale sound moderator and at some stage I understand these were also collected and examined by police.  That makes four sound moderators.  Finally, the FSS at Huntingdon had a Parker Hale moderator in stock and this was also used for some of their work on the case.  There were therefore at different times a total of five identical Parker Hale sound moderators which featured in the case.

Many thanks NGB1066. 

The support group are claiming more than one sound moderator featured and contamination.  If this is so it is difficult to see how they intend to go about proving it.  They highlight the fact that Robert Boutflour shared the same blood groupings as Sheila but it seems to me

a) this was something known to the defence at trial.  Rivlin argued the blood groupings represented an intimate mix of Mr and Mrs Bamber's blood groupings (with their blood entering the sound moderator during the murders and Sheila returning it to the cupboard before taking her own life).

b) I guess Rivlin could have pointed out how commonplace the groupings are by highlighting the fact Robert Boutflour shared Sheila's groupings but he didn't he relied entirely on the 'intimate mix' argument.  The commission/appeal courts could rightly argue now this was something that could have been adjudicated on at trial.  Even if some leeway is given it is realistically idifficult to see how Robert Boutflour's blood ended up deep within the sound moderator especially when considered alongside the other evidence against Bamber.

[lookout]

It wasn't impossible for RWB's blood to have entered the silencer. This item was dismantled at DB's house and this is how I think RWB cut his finger. When re-assembling, the blood from his finger got on the baffles which obviously weren't put back in the order in which they were removed.
I don't know at that point whether it was known that RWB's grouping matched that of Sheila's.

[killingeve]

It wasn't impossible for RWB's blood to have entered the silencer. This item was dismantled at DB's house and this is how I think RWB cut his finger. When re-assembling, the blood from his finger got on the baffles which obviously weren't put back in the order in which they were removed.
I don't know at that point whether it was known that RWB's grouping matched that of Sheila's.

Do you have any evidence that the silencer was dismanted at David Boutflour's house and Robert Boutflour cut his finger when reassembling it? 

[lookout]

Do you have any evidence that the silencer was dismanted at David Boutflour's house and Robert Boutflour cut his finger when reassembling it?

There is a thread somewhere which is dedicated to the time when the silencer was taken apart.
I have no proof of how RWB cut his finger as I'd surmised it was at that time seeing it was after that particular event of dismantling the silencer, which I'd been suspicious about.
Little attention had been paid to the " covered wound " so I drew my own conclusions. 

[killingeve]

There is a thread somewhere which is dedicated to the time when the silencer was taken apart.
I have no proof of how RWB cut his finger as I'd surmised it was at that time seeing it was after that particular event of dismantling the silencer, which I'd been suspicious about.
Little attention had been paid to the " covered wound " so I drew my own conclusions.

Surely you appreicate "a thread somewhere" isn't evidence of anything?

If some hard evidence exists that the relatives dismantled the silencer and Robert Boutflour's blood ended up on the baffle plates that would be a slam dunk piece of evidence!  But I doubt any such evidence exists.

[lookout]

Surely you appreicate "a thread somewhere" isn't evidence of anything?

If some hard evidence exists that the relatives dismantled the silencer and Robert Boutflour's blood ended up on the baffle plates that would be a slam dunk piece of evidence!  But I doubt any such evidence exists.

So far as I can remember it was DB who's started the dismantling and if my memory serves me right it was a police officer who finally dismantled it and surprise surprise he didn't see any blood. I rather think this was something that Mike had written from notes he has. It's on this forum somewhere.

Strange how JB was scrutinised for injuries/ cuts/ bruises etc, yet here was RWB with an unknown wound to his index finger, Sheila with a covered wound in the iliac fossa area ( lower left groin ) June with a black eye------yet no mention of how these things came about.