Podcast by Bamber's support group containing information about 03/21 submission

[Adam]

The 'trick of the light' has gathered momentum over the last 36 years. Which is not surprising as the 'Campaign for Freedom' is very determined.

The main focus of it is that Bews cannot remember who saw it.

Bamber has never said who saw it.

[David1819]

That seems excessive. I doubt 7 current posters currently exist who would warrant being placed on ignore.

Most haven't posted in a long time.

[David1819]

I've checked his statement and its very detailed.  If he thought he saw someone alive in the house, lights on/off, curtains open/closing there's no reason for him not to have mentioned it.  And he certainly would have mentioned it during his police interviews or trial but he didn't probably because they were non-events.
As I said simply scraping the barrel.

The "trick of light" doesn't come from Jeremy. It comes from Bews and his ever changing version of who saw what.

[lookout]

JB said in his blog years ago that" he, Bews and Myall saw someone walking around in the master bedroom at 4am. Bews had refused to knock on the door or look through any of the downstairs windows. He'd appeared to have been very cautious. JB went on to say that all 3 of them had been aware that someone was walking around the house at that time and if either officers had gone into the house, lives could have been saved.
There was no evidence to say what time people died, but at least one person's life could have been saved had Bews not acted so timidly.
The article in question stated it was the first time that Bews admitted that he'd thought he'd seen someone moving around.

The curtains to the master bedroom were fully opened and all the lights were on in that room. It was Bews who'd pointed out that he could see someone to the right of the window. It was difficult to make them out as they walked from right to left in front of the window. You couldn't make out who it was except it was an adult. Bews thought they'd become a target and before they'd walked past the window he made us duck down behind a hedge. When we looked back up the person had gone.

We ran back to the radio car and Bews called the armed response unit. He also called HQ and made a full situation report.The original page one of the radio log is missing from the documents released to the defence, instead a new version had been written out on the back of another form.

I asked for page two of the original log to be ESDA tested as this technique can show from the indents left on the page beneath what was written on the first page. EP refused to allow forensic experts to use ESDA testing on this page, even in response to JB paying for it to be carried out, so there's no way of ever knowing what Bews told HQ over the radio which caused them to send out the TFU.

Contd. 

[Rob_]

If they ran away why didn't Bamber refer to this in his statement of 7th August 1985?  Or during his police interviews?  Or at trial?

Well why does Bews talk about it all these years latter if the event never happened? I believe JB passed a note to his defense asking for Bews to be questioned on this, but Rivlin let him off lightly I would have grilled him myself.

On the 7th Aug JB was not even a suspect so why mention it?

I find the event very interesting myself, they obviously thought they saw someone, Myall thought it was a male? It is Saxby in his statement who says they came running back, no mention of it in Bews and Myall's statement

What were they scared of to make them run? did they know more at that stage than they are letting on??

[killingeve]

JB said in his blog years ago that" he, Bews and Myall saw someone walking around in the master bedroom at 4am. Bews had refused to knock on the door or look through any of the downstairs windows. He'd appeared to have been very cautious. JB went on to say that all 3 of them had been aware that someone was walking around the house at that time and if either officers had gone into the house, lives could have been saved.
There was no evidence to say what time people died, but at least one person's life could have been saved had Bews not acted so timidly.
The article in question stated it was the first time that Bews admitted that he'd thought he'd seen someone moving around.

The curtains to the master bedroom were fully opened and all the lights were on in that room. It was Bews who'd pointed out that he could see someone to the right of the window. It was difficult to make them out as they walked from right to left in front of the window. You couldn't make out who it was except it was an adult. Bews thought they'd become a target and before they'd walked past the window he made us duck down behind a hedge. When we looked back up the person had gone.

We ran back to the radio car and Bews called the armed response unit. He also called HQ and made a full situation report.The original page one of the radio log is missing from the documents released to the defence, instead a new version had been written out on the back of another form.

I asked for page two of the original log to be ESDA tested as this technique can show from the indents left on the page beneath what was written on the first page. EP refused to allow forensic experts to use ESDA testing on this page, even in response to JB paying for it to be carried out, so there's no way of ever knowing what Bews told HQ over the radio which caused them to send out the TFU.

Contd.

But why wait to write it in a blog during his long incarceration?

He produced a detailed witness statement on 7th August where he talks about arriving at the farmhouse, the dogs barking etc.  Why not say then someone was still alive as he saw movement, lights on/off, curtains opening/closing?

Why not bring it up during his police interviews with DCI Jones/DS Jones when it was first put to him he murdered his family?  He now wants to claim its his alibi. 

Why didn't he get his defence to challenge at trial?  Why didn't he mention himself when Anthony Arlige put it to him he killed his family instead of saying 'that's for you to prove' which incidentally he did!

[lookout]

One thing for sure, I wouldn't have radioed for armed officers if I'd thought it was a " trick of the light " so why did he ??

[lookout]

I hate inconsistencies and incompetence !

[killingeve]

Well why does Bews talk about it all these years latter if the event never happened? I believe JB passed a note to his defense asking for Bews to be questioned on this, but Rivlin let him off lightly I would have grilled him myself.

On the 7th Aug JB was not even a suspect so why mention it?

I find the event very interesting myself, they obviously thought they saw someone, Myall thought it was a male? It is Saxby in his statement who says they came running back, no mention of it in Bews and Myall's statement

What were they scared of to make them run? did they know more at that stage than they are letting on??

Bews refers to it because years later Bamber wants to claim its his alibi!

Please provide evidence Bamber passed a note to Rivlin about the 'trick of the light'?  I believe it was mentioned at trial but dismissed.  Certainly nothing about lights on/off and curtains opening/closing.

Please provide evidence than Myall thought the movement was a male and that anyone run anywhere. 

Its all myth and the idea the commission review will place any significance on this is laughable. 

Ask yourself why Bamber didn't mention in his witness statement or at any time during his police interviews when he had an opportunity to put forward his 'alibi' rather than waiting decades later. 

[killingeve]

One thing for sure, I wouldn't have radioed for armed officers if I'd thought it was a " trick of the light " so why did he ??

Isn't if obvious?

Bamber rang the police telling them he received a call from his father saying his sister had gone crazy with a gun.  He was told to go to the farmhouse where he told officers the same and that Sheila was mentally ill and had access to firearms and ammunition.  There was no sign of life from the farmhouse other than the dogs barking.  It was obvious there was something amiss.  No sensible person would go near the farmhouse when they were under the impression a mad woman was on the loose with access to numerous firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. 

[Rob_]

Bews refers to it because years later Bamber wants to claim its his alibi!

Please provide evidence Bamber passed a note to Rivlin about the 'trick of the light'?  I believe it was mentioned at trial but dismissed.  Certainly nothing about lights on/off and curtains opening/closing.

Please provide evidence than Myall thought the movement was a male and that anyone run anywhere. 

Its all myth and the idea the commission review will place any significance on this is laughable. 

Ask yourself why Bamber didn't mention in his witness statement or at any time during his police interviews when he had an opportunity to put forward his 'alibi' rather than waiting decades later.

This is the extract from the trail:

Rivlin: "Do you remember at some stage early on, this happened that one of you Police Officers said that you thought you could see a shadow and you all jumped?"


Bews: "Yes, that is when we first went to the house with Mr Bamber. We had gone round what I thought was the back. We had seen the kitchen door with the light on.

We then went into a field which is at the side of the farm house and went went round to where what is - - I believe the front door is and above that is a window.

As we moved away I thought we saw something else move, a shadow, something like that. We looked up and after looking for a couple of minutes I was satisfied that it was a - - perhaps a part in the glass that just shone the light slightly as you looked at it."


Rivlin: "It could have been a trick of the light?"


Bews: "I think it was a trick of the light"



So the defense let Bews off by suggesting it was a trick of the light, JB never had a defense just two prosecutors!

[Roch]

Bews refers to it because years later Bamber wants to claim its his alibi!

Please provide evidence Bamber passed a note to Rivlin about the 'trick of the light'?  I believe it was mentioned at trial but dismissed.  Certainly nothing about lights on/off and curtains opening/closing.

Please provide evidence than Myall thought the movement was a male and that anyone run anywhere. 

Its all myth and the idea the commission review will place any significance on this is laughable. 

Ask yourself why Bamber didn't mention in his witness statement or at any time during his police interviews when he had an opportunity to put forward his 'alibi' rather than waiting decades later.

How would it be possible to provide evidence of JB passing a note to Rivlin at trial?  We know that there are examples of Rivlin seemingly not wanting to offend the prosecution. He approaches prosecution witnesses tentatively. 

It's in one of the first attending officers' statements regarding running back to the car.  A situation report had to be provided in order for permission for force arms to be withdrawn. The police won't release the situation report.

[lookout]

But why wait to write it in a blog during his long incarceration?

He produced a detailed witness statement on 7th August where he talks about arriving at the farmhouse, the dogs barking etc.  Why not say then someone was still alive as he saw movement, lights on/off, curtains opening/closing?

Why not bring it up during his police interviews with DCI Jones/DS Jones when it was first put to him he murdered his family?  He now wants to claim its his alibi. 

Why didn't he get his defence to challenge at trial?  Why didn't he mention himself when Anthony Arlige put it to him he killed his family instead of saying 'that's for you to prove' which incidentally he did!

This is from a blog dating back to 2010/11.
It would appear to me that nobody listened ! Apart from the fact that he probably expected the incident to have been discussed at trial.
Wouldn't you have wanted to know what page one had contained  of Bews call to HQ ?  JB had tried his best to find out but was rebuffed. Was this acceptable ?
Bews had quite clearly changed tack for reasons unknown as nobody I know runs from a shadow, or even reports one to an armed officer. It was Bews who noticed first, not Jeremy !

[killingeve]

How would it be possible to provide evidence of JB passing a note to Rivlin at trial?  We know that there are examples of Rivlin seemingly not wanting to offend the prosecution. He approaches prosecution witnesses tentatively. 

It's in one of the first attending officers' statements regarding running back to the car.  A situation report had to be provided in order for permission for force arms to be withdrawn. The police won't release the situation report.

No doubt Rivlin picked up on this from Bewes/Myall notebooks/statements and at the time it happened Bamber agreed it was a 'trick of the light'.   But the point is Bamber had ample opportunity to present his alibi to DCI Jones/DS Jones during his interviews and at trial when Anthony Arlidge put it to him he murdered his family but he failed to do so because he knew it was a 'trick of the light' having seen it himself. 

Decades later he wants to use this as his alibi because he's scraping the barrel!

[ngb1066]

Which begs the question why Bamber chooses not to disclose it especially when he is being hampered in pursuing his case as a result of non-disclosure.

Non disclosure of prosecution documents is a potentially serious and significant matter.  Non disclosure by the defence of the CCRC Statement of Reasons may be irritating or even regrettable, but it has no bearing on the case.