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Anyway on a serious note perhaps NGB1066 could give his opinion on whether in the event Bamber's conviction is overturned Julie Mugford would face prosecution?

It depends upon the basis for the conviction being overturned.  If it included proof that JM had perjured herself at trial prosecution would be likely, otherwise not.


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I do have a problem processing information that Bamber is withholding, yes!

How do you know

a) Non-disclosed information exists?
b) if such information exists it would assist Bamber?

Perhpas NGB1066 could give his opinion on the above.

There is no doubt that non disclosed information exists.  The prosecution have accepted this and declined to disclose a number of documents.  Whether the information would assist the defence is a matter for speculation, but if it would not it is perhaps surprising that there is such reluctance on the part of the prosecution to disclose it.  I am convinced, based upon my own knowledge of aspects of the case, that some of the withheld material would be of great assistance to the defence.


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I do have a problem processing information that Bamber is withholding, yes!

How do you know

a) Non-disclosed information exists?
b) if such information exists it would assist Bamber?

Perhpas NGB1066 could give his opinion on the above.

There is no doubt that non disclosed information exists.  The prosecution have accepted this and declined to disclose a number of documents.  Whether the information would assist the defence is a matter for speculation, but if it would not it is perhaps surprising that there is such reluctance on the part of the prosecution to disclose it.  I am convinced, based upon my own knowledge of aspects of the case, that some of the withheld material would be of great assistance to the defence.

Further to ngb's reply to you. This was published several years ago

https://simplebooklet.com/disclosurebookletjeremybamber

In addition, there is also this:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16871430

Clearly if something needs to be shut away until everyone has passed on, it's hardly something beneficial to the prosecution is it?
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This is without doubt the idea of holding information----until everyone concerned is dead and buried ! 2054.
Case well and truly closed !

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It depends upon the basis for the conviction being overturned.  If it included proof that JM had perjured herself at trial prosecution would be likely, otherwise not.

But then a jury would have to find her guilty.  If (being the operative word) it got to this stage I guess her defence could revolve around police coercion.

A number of high profile miscarriages involved prosecution witnesses committing perjury where charges were not brought.


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There is no doubt that non disclosed information exists.  The prosecution have accepted this and declined to disclose a number of documents.  Whether the information would assist the defence is a matter for speculation, but if it would not it is perhaps surprising that there is such reluctance on the part of the prosecution to disclose it.  I am convinced, based upon my own knowledge of aspects of the case, that some of the withheld material would be of great assistance to the defence.

Is it known whether the review submission has looked at the non-disclosed material to draw its own conclusions? 

With respect I am arguing the same point with regard to Bamber's decision not to disclose the statement of reasons doc.  You have said it is not harmful to the defence, and I am sure you're correct on this point, but Bamber will not disclose. 

In any event I would like to see the prosecution make available all the non-disclosed material. 

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Further to ngb's reply to you. This was published several years ago

https://simplebooklet.com/disclosurebookletjeremybamber

In addition, there is also this:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16871430

Clearly if something needs to be shut away until everyone has passed on, it's hardly something beneficial to the prosecution is it?

Thanks.  I hope the review commission order the release of the material.  I believe it has the power to do so. 

What sort of material is being held at the national archives?

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Is it known whether the review submission has looked at the non-disclosed material to draw its own conclusions? 

With respect I am arguing the same point with regard to Bamber's decision not to disclose the statement of reasons doc.  You have said it is not harmful to the defence, and I am sure you're correct on this point, but Bamber will not disclose. 

In any event I would like to see the prosecution make available all the non-disclosed material.

The CCRC did not inspect the withheld material.  They do have the power to require its production, but they appear only to use that power quite sparingly, certainly in this case.

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I haven't seen the window video.  Are you able to upload it?

https://youtu.be/65t__yHjAjk

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The CCRC did not inspect the withheld material.  They do have the power to require its production, but they appear only to use that power quite sparingly, certainly in this case.

Bamber's support group claim court orders are in place to release so I am surprised Essex police are not forced to comply.

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Bamber's support group claim court orders are in place to release so I am surprised Essex police are not forced to comply.

That's why I tried to alert you this former police officer's support

https://www.change.org/p/priti-patel-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-to-jeremybamber-s-legal-defence-team-whitehousefarm/c/772183661

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https://youtu.be/65t__yHjAjk

Thanks.  I am unaware of any equipment used to establish whether or not windows have been tampered with.   

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Thanks.  I am unaware of any equipment used to establish whether or not windows have been tampered with.

Equipment may have existed to that effect. Whether it was used is another matter. However, I believe Miller should have been questioned about this at trial. This in turn, may have impacted upon the judge's summing up.

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Equipment may have existed to that effect. Whether it was used is another matter. However, I believe Miller should have been questioned about this at trial. This in turn, may have impacted upon the judge's summing up.

In the Sky doc Anthony Arldige said he was concerned the judge was showing bias.  I don't think his concern was for Bamber but rather in his experience jurors often go against the judge if they feel he/she is leading them too much/showing bias. 

Lots of things probably should have happened at trial but it is what it is!

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In the Sky doc Anthony Arldige said he was concerned the judge was showing bias.  I don't think his concern was for Bamber but rather in his experience jurors often go against the judge if they feel he/she is leading them too much/showing bias. 

Lots of things probably should have happened at trial but it is what it is!

How many circumstances that aligned were merely coincidence; and how many were by design?

A group of officers willing to frame a 'suspect'.

Large scale non-disclosure.

A group of relatives not served well by the wills of Nevill and June, who became prosecution witnesses.

A barrister who had never defended before and showed the prosecution way too much respect.

A pre-trial 'cheque-book journalism' agreement, (25K for a guilty verdict) masquerading as a post trial agreement.

A 'washed' star witness, provided with immunity from prosecution.

A judge involved in previous wrongful convictions, in another case involving corrupt police officers.

A SIO who retired after the first appeal was refused and was found to be employed by the very prosecution witness who had him installed as SIO in the first place.

Subsequent appeals and referrals having to take place with a backdrop of non-disclosure, despite a court order and despite the CCRC having powers.

Propaganda masquerading as fact based drama or documentaries (with glaring omissions and lack of depth).

You are right, it is what it is.. Not a very good advert for British justice or media journalism.
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