Podcast by Bamber's support group containing information about 03/21 submission

[killingeve]

The female presenter made a number of claims including a phone call from Mr Bamber Snr to the police; Sheila making a 999 call and writing a suicide note 'I have just killed myself'; Sheila observed by the Aga and running up the stairs to shoot herself once; the police shooting Sheila a second time, the police using the crime scene as a training exercise, Robert Boutflour's blood contaminating the silencer.  Can someone provide me with any evidence to support these allegations?

[Adam]

The female presenter made a number of claims including a phone call from Mr Bamber Snr to the police; Sheila making a 999 call and writing a suicide note 'I have just killed myself'; Sheila observed by the Aga and running up the stairs to shoot herself once; the police shooting Sheila a second time, the police using the crime scene as a training exercise, Robert Boutflour's blood contaminating the silencer.  Can someone provide me with any evidence to support these allegations?

There is none. But 36 years is a long time for supporters to get carried away.

[Adam]

https://youtu.be/mBvnLsdpL08

Just watched this. As it's only 2.09 minutes.

[Adam]

They say after it was found MM had an alibi, the police said to Julie 'have another go'. But MM is in her WS.

They say the initial assumption was murder/suicide. As the judge said - 'the police had been lead in that direction'.

Taking body tempretures is a new one. Was it crime scene protocol in 1985?  If not, then no point mentioning it.

'Just the media' saying he was arrogant & a womaniser. Books as well.

Nevill rang the police at 3.26am. Did Bamber ring the police at 3.36am? That gives him less than 10 minutes to get to WHF.

[guest29835]

I think a neutral viewpoint on this would be:

The female presenter made a number of claims including a phone call from Mr Bamber Snr to the police;

Nevill could easily have made a call to the police, the question is specifically whether he got through to them and spoke to them.  I believe it is unlikely as there would be no reason for the police to conceal a record of such a call and the investigation would never have focused on Jeremy in such circumstances.  There is a small possibility that a telephone operator did speak to Nevill and in all the confusion has conflated one call with another, but again, it seems a stretch.

There is the additional possibility that Nevill did make a 999 call but was injured and could not talk into the phone.

Sheila making a 999 call and writing a suicide note 'I have just killed myself';

They have not claimed this.

Sheila observed by the Aga and running up the stairs to shoot herself once;

Well a female was observed in the kitchen.  The official story is that this was a mistake and that the mistake was quickly corrected.  It's a whole discussion in its own right.  One ground for questioning the police story on this topic is that they are recorded as spotting both a male and a female at the same time in the same part of the house through a window.

the police shooting Sheila a second time,

There is no physical evidential bar to this, on the condition that you accept the 'swopped bullet' theory.  Personally I believe the swopped bullet theory is flawed, for reasons I have gone over on other threads.  It falls apart under closer scrutiny.

the police using the crime scene as a training exercise,

I simply have no idea if this is true or not, but why shouldn't the police exploit the crime scene for training purposes?  It seems like a good idea to me.

Robert Boutflour's blood contaminating the silencer. 

Very plausible in my view. 

Can someone provide me with any evidence to support these allegations?

No, or rather, the evidence for these allegations is already canon.  It's a matter of how you interpret the evidence and what inferences you choose to draw.

It is interesting how one camp is very quick to draw all sorts of inferences about Jeremy, including that he is a mass murderer and double child killer - just for money - while ignoring all the fantastical prerequisites for the execution of such a criminal plot.

[Adam]

I think a neutral viewpoint on this would be:

Nevill could easily have made a call to the police, the question is specifically whether he got through to them and spoke to them.  I believe it is unlikely as there would be no reason for the police to conceal a record of such a call and the investigation would never have focused on Jeremy in such circumstances.  There is a small possibility that a telephone operator did speak to Nevill and in all the confusion has conflated one call with another, but again, it seems a stretch.

There is the additional possibility that Nevill did make a 999 call but was injured and could not talk into the phone.

They have not claimed this.

Well a female was observed in the kitchen.  The official story is that this was a mistake and that the mistake was quickly corrected.  It's a whole discussion in its own right.  One ground for questioning the police story on this topic is that they are recorded as spotting both a male and a female at the same time in the same part of the house through a window.

There is no physical evidential bar to this, on the condition that you accept the 'swopped bullet' theory.  Personally I believe the swopped bullet theory is flawed, for reasons I have gone over on other threads.  It falls apart under closer scrutiny.

I simply have no idea if this is true or not, but why shouldn't the police exploit the crime scene for training purposes?  It seems like a good idea to me.

Very plausible in my view. 

No, or rather, the evidence for these allegations is already canon.  It's a matter of how you interpret the evidence and what inferences you choose to draw.

It is interesting how one camp is very quick to draw all sorts of inferences about Jeremy, including that he is a mass murderer and double child killer - just for money - while ignoring all the fantastical prerequisites for the execution of such a criminal plot.

Does your Sheila scenario have Nevill ringing the police?

[Roch]

The female presenter made a number of claims including a phone call from Mr Bamber Snr to the police; Sheila making a 999 call and writing a suicide note 'I have just killed myself'; Sheila observed by the Aga and running up the stairs to shoot herself once; the police shooting Sheila a second time, the police using the crime scene as a training exercise, Robert Boutflour's blood contaminating the silencer.  Can someone provide me with any evidence to support these allegations?

The informatives thing was discovered about a decade ago. IIRC, it caused some consternation within EP, that it had come to light. 

A few years ago, it came to light that Stan Jones had told Met officers in 2002 that there was a suicide note; and in my opinion, he paraphrased the note in an extremely concise way. The Met were approached regarding this and they didn't refute the audio recording (which was part of the Stokenchurch interviews).

A note also came to light a few years ago, with morbid phrases / ideation. IIRC, it was claimed to be a note from Sheila to her birth mother.

[guest29835]

Does your Sheila scenario have Nevill ringing the police?

Good idea, Adam.  Thanks. 

[Adam]

Good idea, Adam.  Thanks.

Let me know if Nevill rings the police before or after ringing Jeremy.

Although going by Bamber/CT, Nevill phoned Jeremy at 3.15am & the police at 3.26am.

So that's an extra 11 minutes to be accounted for in the Sheila scenario.

[Adam]

I did ask Rob about the 11 minute period when responding to his scenario. Asking him what waa going on. Eleven minutes is a long time in that situation.

But got no reaponse.

[guest29835]

Let me know if Nevill rings the police before or after ringing Jeremy.

Although going by Bamber/CT, Nevill phoned Jeremy at 3.15am & the police at 3.26am.

So that's 11 minutes to be accounted for in the Sheila scenario.

Thanks Adam.  It's good that you're here to put me through my paces.

Maybe if I can produce a Perfect Sheila Scenario, you'll finally recognise my brilliance and recommend me for the CT?

For now, here's me sulking after being overlooked by you and Myster, the Cluedo Supremo:

[Rob_]

I did ask Rob about the 11 minute period when responding to his scenario. Asking him what waa going on. Eleven minutes is a long time in that situation.

But got no reaponse.

I think I said "approx" in some of my timings Adam because I don't know.

I am looking forward to your improved scenario that does not have JB getting caught the next day. Don't forget you need to explain why Bews ran. I am glad you agree I only had flaws in mine thanks!

At least in your last scenario you never mentioned June being shot first so you are at least taking notice of us cranks!

[killingeve]

I think a neutral viewpoint on this would be:

Nevill could easily have made a call to the police, the question is specifically whether he got through to them and spoke to them.  I believe it is unlikely as there would be no reason for the police to conceal a record of such a call and the investigation would never have focused on Jeremy in such circumstances.  There is a small possibility that a telephone operator did speak to Nevill and in all the confusion has conflated one call with another, but again, it seems a stretch.

There is the additional possibility that Nevill did make a 999 call but was injured and could not talk into the phone.

They have not claimed this.

Well a female was observed in the kitchen.  The official story is that this was a mistake and that the mistake was quickly corrected.  It's a whole discussion in its own right.  One ground for questioning the police story on this topic is that they are recorded as spotting both a male and a female at the same time in the same part of the house through a window.

There is no physical evidential bar to this, on the condition that you accept the 'swopped bullet' theory.  Personally I believe the swopped bullet theory is flawed, for reasons I have gone over on other threads.  It falls apart under closer scrutiny.

I simply have no idea if this is true or not, but why shouldn't the police exploit the crime scene for training purposes?  It seems like a good idea to me.

Very plausible in my view. 

No, or rather, the evidence for these allegations is already canon.  It's a matter of how you interpret the evidence and what inferences you choose to draw.

It is interesting how one camp is very quick to draw all sorts of inferences about Jeremy, including that he is a mass murderer and double child killer - just for money - while ignoring all the fantastical prerequisites for the execution of such a criminal plot.

The review commission are not interested in looking at submissions from a neutral viewpoint.  They want fresh evidence or argument that is going to stand up to scrutiny in the appeal court. 

Please re-listen to the podcast.  @ l.00 in the female claims Sheila made a 999 call.  @ 1.06 in she then claims a suicide note was found. 

[guest29835]

The review commission are not interested in looking at submissions from a neutral viewpoint.  They want fresh evidence or argument that is going to stand up to scrutiny in the appeal court. 

Please re-listen to the podcast.  @ l.00 in the female claims Sheila made a 999 call.  @ 1.06 in she then claims a suicide note was found.

I am neutral in the case.  I am giving you my own views, not the views of the CCRC.  Please read my posts carefully and reply to what I actually say, not what you think I say in your imagination.

The CCRC is constitutionally impartial.  It has already been explained to you that the Campaign Team do not make the submissions to the CCRC and anything the Campaign Team say on podcasts must be taken with a very large pinch of salt.  The CCRC may or may not have received submissions along these lines, but we don't yet know what the submissions are or what the evidence is in support.  I prefer to wait and see.  If you can't follow that, I'm very sorry, but please don't lecture me on what the process involves.  I assure you, I don't need to be educated on the subject.

[killingeve]

I am neutral in the case.  I am giving you my own views, not the views of the CCRC.  Please read my posts carefully and reply to what I actually say, not what you think I say in your imagination.

The CCRC is constitutionally impartial.  It has already been explained to you that the Campaign Team do not make the submissions to the CCRC and anything the Campaign Team say on podcasts must be taken with a very large pinch of salt.  The CCRC may or may not have received submissions along these lines, but we don't yet know what the submissions are or what the evidence is in support.  I prefer to wait and see.  If you can't follow that, I'm very sorry, but please don't lecture me on what the process involves.  I assure you, I don't need to be educated on the subject.

My post contained 5 very brief sentences so hardly a lecture but I apologise if it came over as mini sermon.

We clearly have different interpretations on the female's claims.  My interpretation is that she, along with others in Bamber's support group, have put together the submissions. 

In any event back to my post you find objectionable.  The female clearly states @ l hour in Sheila made a 999 call.  @ 1 hour 6 mins in she claims a suicide note was found.  You claimed she said neither.