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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #105 on: August 01, 2023, 01:01:PM »
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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #106 on: August 01, 2023, 01:02:PM »
No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

Most of the staining on the wrong side if she was face up.
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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #107 on: August 01, 2023, 01:03:PM »
Why should it be open?
Because it is in all the other photos of that side of the room.

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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #108 on: August 01, 2023, 01:06:PM »
No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

Why would it be anywhere near the bed given the other duvet etc. It was summer and they had the window open. The blood stains may just be a reflection because of the reflective nature of the material.

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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #109 on: August 01, 2023, 01:10:PM »
No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

I have seen no evidence there were shell casings on top of it and you would need to examine DRH's trial testimony in detail to see if there is an answer to this question. He was interrogated in detail about the location of  cases but then I believe they were moved anyway to explain the scene they created

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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #110 on: August 01, 2023, 01:13:PM »
Because it is in all the other photos of that side of the room.

Not sure how that supports a stage. There were a lot of people walking around WHF apart from the photographer 

But feel free to believe it.
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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #111 on: August 01, 2023, 01:25:PM »
No, this doesn't explain anything, you have assumed there would be 'drag marks' but that's not a given at all. Where did the blood on the pillow come from, it it wasn't from June being shot - I suspect you will say the police placed her on the bed after shooting her? So why move her from the position she was shot? No one would have known where she was shot and moving her causes problem for the CS.

Why are the blood stains on the wrong side of the bed?

Also, there is no evidence to show when the blanket was pulled to the floor, it doesn't have to have happened before June left the bed. Were the cartridge cases on top or under it? I can also see that there is some blood staining to it.

Which door was closed that should be open and which photograph are you using for this?

Yes because I have said and explained this before. They had to move her quickly to stop more of her blood staining the carpet.

From The Now you see it Now you dont' thread.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11579.msg533789.html#msg533789

The priority after their initial shock and horror would be to minimise the blood stain so they put her on the bed while they considered what they would do. Unfortunately the bed was now contaminated with her blood and this led to the need for the story to include, that she was initially shot whilst in bed.

Thirdly moving a heavily blood soaked body would require protection from becoming covered in June’s blood. I have set out more on this aspect of their actions in other posts.


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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #112 on: August 01, 2023, 01:32:PM »
Why would there be 'drag stains?
Why are the blood stains on the 'wrong side'?
Which door is closed that should be open?
Who said June walked across an electric blanket and why would there be depressions?

I would appreciate it if you took the time to examine the information I provide before making new posts that address the same issue when I have already given the answers you seek

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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #113 on: August 01, 2023, 02:22:PM »
Yes because I have said and explained this before. They had to move her quickly to stop more of her blood staining the carpet.

From The Now you see it Now you dont' thread.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11579.msg533789.html#msg533789

The priority after their initial shock and horror would be to minimise the blood stain so they put her on the bed while they considered what they would do. Unfortunately the bed was now contaminated with her blood and this led to the need for the story to include, that she was initially shot whilst in bed.

Thirdly moving a heavily blood soaked body would require protection from becoming covered in June’s blood. I have set out more on this aspect of their actions in other posts.

And there was me thinking Nevill and June were in bed when Bamber entered the main bedroom around 1.30am.

It has been known for people to sleep at this time. Nevill and June were found bare footed in bed attire & the bullet casings are in the bedroom.

But it seems the police shot June several times. Lifted her onto the bed, then lifted her off the bed.
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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #114 on: August 01, 2023, 02:23:PM »
What did the police do with the bullets in June?
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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #115 on: August 01, 2023, 02:25:PM »
I would appreciate it if you took the time to examine the information I provide before making new posts that address the same issue when I have already given the answers you seek

Believe it or not, posters have not read every one of your 1500+ long & complicated posts over the last 4 years. 

All posters sometimes have to repeat things on here.
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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #116 on: August 01, 2023, 02:40:PM »
I would appreciate it if you took the time to examine the information I provide before making new posts that address the same issue when I have already given the answers you seek

Yep, but not in the same post and I don't have time to go searching through your extensive posts to find those answers. I have posted about many things in the past but if someone asks me something 'genuinely', I will answer them. There's no king of the board here and I'm not hanging on your every word. Answer the questions or don't, it's all the same to me - it's your theory you're trying to promote, I'm not searching to be 'educated' by you!

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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #117 on: August 01, 2023, 03:08:PM »
Yep, but not in the same post and I don't have time to go searching through your extensive posts to find those answers. I have posted about many things in the past but if someone asks me something 'genuinely', I will answer them. There's no king of the board here and I'm not hanging on your every word. Answer the questions or don't, it's all the same to me - it's your theory you're trying to promote, I'm not searching to be 'educated' by you!

BuboBubo would appreciate it if you took the time to examine the information he provides before making new posts that address the same issue when he has already given the answers you seek.
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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #118 on: August 01, 2023, 04:11:PM »
BuboBubo would appreciate it if you took the time to examine the information he provides before making new posts that address the same issue when he has already given the answers you seek.

How can I put this, without sounding rude? I can't ....... I don't care.

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Re: Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.
« Reply #119 on: August 01, 2023, 04:12:PM »
Because it is in all the other photos of that side of the room.

So someone closed it - what difference dose it make? You have no problem with the bathroom window being opened and closed!