Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.

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The scenario was last updated 4/10/21.

By YOURSELF, of course ! Are you sure you weren't there ??

[Adam]

Cycle to WHF:

Evidence - June's bike brought over to Bamber's cottage just before massacre.  Easy journey. Unseen.


Get into WHF

Evidence - Bathroom window loose or open. Quiet ground floor entrance. Bamber said he knew how to get in through this window.

Pick up rifle:

Evidence ' Rifle available as stated by Bamber.


Fire one bullet into each twin.

Evidence - Julie said the twins were shot first.


Enter main bedroom:

Evidence - Two adults in this room who must be killed with remaining 9 bullets as potential to provide most resistance.


Shoot an in bed June and Neville:

Evidence - 9 shots were fired in the main bedroom opening salvo suggesting rifle was emptied in opening salvo.   June and Neville shot in or near the bed.


Go to reload or chase Neville:

Evidence - Spare bullets found in kitchen. Neville found in kitchen.


Kitchen fight:

Evidence - Neville was brutally beaten there.  Upturned and smashed kitchen items. Scratch marks on aga.


Reload, shoot and kill a knocked out Neville:

Evidence - Four kitchen head shots into Neville.


Reload. Return upstairs:

Evidence - All other shots upstairs.


Shoot June twice more:

Evidence - June had moved a few feet. Final shots required. Two of June's 7 shots would have killed her quickly.


Shoot the sleeping twins more times

Evidence - Twins shot 8 times in bed. Amount of bullets used shows two reloads carried out on the night.


Either wake and shoot or shoot an already awake Sheila:

Evidence - Sheila found shot in the corner of main bedroom. Sheila on Haloperidol so easy to control.


Go downstairs to check on Nevill

Evidence - Nevill was downstairs.


Remove & replace silencer. Move Nevill. Burn his back.

Evidence - Silencer with Sheila's blood & aga paint on/in found in cupboard. Nevill's back burnt. Nevill lifted onto coal scuttle.


Stage the scene:

Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila.


Exit out of kitchen window:


Evidence - Twenty sources say it can be banged shut from outside. Housekeeper said items moved by kitchen window.on night of massacre.


Cycle home:

Evidence - Bike found at Bambers cottage

This is for BuboBubo. From 2021 so willing to update.

This is what a Sheila scenario should look like. Just the main points of the massacre matching the crime scene.

[Bubo bubo]

This is for BuboBubo. From 2021 so willing to update.

This is what a Sheila scenario should look like. Just the main points of the massacre matching the crime scene.

Who promoted you to forum policing manager setting out rules that all other posters must follow

[Adam]

Who promoted you to forum police manager setting out rules that all other posters must follow

CSI don't need a mini story. Just first bullet to last and the 5 minutes before.

[Bubo bubo]

CSI don't need a mini story. Just first bullet to last and the 5 minutes before.

We are not playing Cluedo or writing a script for a TV drama. Wise up Hippo.

[Bubo bubo]

CSI don't need a mini story. Just first bullet to last and the 5 minutes before.

Are you suggesting this took five minutes.
Still clinging to the staged crime scene
What about all the cycling, climbing through windows, phoning JM, looking up phone numbers, making false phone calls to the police are these not part of your scenario

[Adam]

Are you suggesting this took five minutes.
Still clinging to the staged crime scene
What about all the cycling, climbing through windows, phoning JM, looking up phone numbers, making false phone calls to the police are these not part of your scenario

I said 5 minutes before 

Your scenario starts around 9.30am!

[Adam]

Seems that BuboBubo agrees with the Bamber scenario. But says that the crime scene was instantly staged.

Whoever headed the staging did a hell of a job.

[Bubo bubo]

I said 5 minutes before 

Your scenario starts around 9.30am!

Yes it does but we have other evidence of June and SC's  communication around ten and how she appeared on the phone, We know about NB collecting the last load, We know he walked the dogs etc etc. These are all factors even in a small way of What happened after JB left and so help build a picture in the same way that your scenario includes phone calls and lots of rubbish for which there is no evidence like the bike ride. I state the times I am including. Please desist

Your scenario starts around 9.30am!. So what?. Which forum rule says all scenarios must start five minutes before the first shot. Suck it up Mate

[Bubo bubo]

Seems that BuboBubo agrees with the Bamber scenario. But says that the crime scene was instantly staged.

Whoever headed the staging did a hell of a job.

By my reckoning it started after the police doctor Certified the deaths and carried on until the bodies were removed. But that was not the end. They took more  photographs over the next two days especially DRH on the back stairs for which we have no pics and DRH found the planted shell casing to replace the TFG round on the ninth. I do not know the timing of the removal of the fire debris. So if they were pronounced dead at around 08.am and the bodies were removed at 11.45, that's three and three quarter hours on the 7th. plus who knows how many hours on other days.

[Bubo bubo]

By the way this photograph was not taken on the day the door is closed not open. I have also heard that Bird made an undisclosed visit on the eighth and had to improvise before taking photographs because some of the carpets had been removed and some replacing was required.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4096;image
 

[Adam]

Do you believe the staged crime scene perfectly incriminates Bamber?

[Bubo bubo]

Do you believe the staged crime scene perfectly incriminates Bamber?

Almost but it has some big flaws. The Aga burns, placing SC on a toilet mat, no blood around June's head, no blood drag stains on the pillow, a door closed that should be open, blood stains on the bed on the wrong side, no depressions in the electric blanket that June is said to have walked across and why is it there anyway it was summer and the bed already has a lot of cover. Will that do for starters

[Adam]

Almost but it has some big flaws. The Aga burns, placing SC on a toilet mat, no blood around June's head, no blood drag stains on the pillow, a door closed that should be open, blood stains on the bed on the wrong side, no depressions in the electric blanket that June is said to have walked across and why is it there anyway it was summer and the bed already has a lot of cover. Will that do for starters

Amazing that the defence, Bamber & the CT has never brought up these things.

Why don't you join the CT?

[Bubo bubo]

Amazing that the defence, Bamber & the CT has never brought up these things.

Why don't you join the CT?

I do not want the publicity and do not wish to commit my time and energy at my time of life. If you are going to attempt something like that you owe it to the prisoner to give it 100% and give it your life and your soul.
I have taken an option which might be of some little help. I know it is unlikely to be a game changer but as they say 'every little helps'