Important Question For NGB

[mike tesko]

What we also know is that it wasn't until 9.30am at the scene that `Jeremy Bamber' was told by 'DS Jones' that all five members of his family were dead, inside the farmhouse. In response, 'Jeremy' commented that he beleived the men with the guns who had very recently entered the farmhouse had shot and killed everyone. 'DS Jones' replied to the effect that those men [not in uniform] were police officers, and surely that he did not beleive that narrative?

What is relevant here, is that 'Jeremy' did not see the six man raid team who went to enter the farmhouse at 7.30am, but that at 9.00am he did see and witness six men armed with guns go into the farmhouse, and that 'Jeremy' did think that this group of men, were not police officers, because they were all dressed in casual wear or suits [these were the six man team who were summoned to the scene in order to assist senior offcers to perform and carry out a training exercise referred to in police documentation as ' informatives'...

[Aunt Agatha]

What we also know is that it wasn't until 9.30am at the scene that `Jeremy Bamber' was told by 'DS Jones' that all five members of his family were dead, inside the farmhouse. In response, 'Jeremy' commented that he beleived the men with the guns who had very recently entered the farmhouse had shot and killed everyone. 'DS Jones' replied to the effect that those men [not in uniform] were polie officers, and surely that he did not beleive that narrative?

What is relevant here, is that 'Jeremy' did not see the six man raid team who went to enter the farmhouse at 7.30am, but that at 9.00am he did see and witness six men armed with guns go into the farmhouse, and that 'Jeremy' did think that this group of men, were not police officers, because they were all dressed in casual wear or suits [these were the six man team who were summoned to the scene in order to assist senior offcers to perform and carry out a training exercise referred to in police documentation as ' informatives'...

Very interesting!!

[Aunt Agatha]

Personally I think claims of  a hitman, mason involvement and long lists of individuals who conspired against Bamber are too far fetched.  Excluding the latter it was agreed at trial the murderer was either Bamber or Sheila Caffell.  Bamber's claim of a phone call from Mr Bamber saying 'Sheila has gone crazy with a gun' really put paid to any other scenario.

[`Opinion of MT']

There was 'an operaration' underway, in the area of whf, on the evening of 6th August 1985. 'Aerial photographs' were filmed of 'the farmhouse' and 'surrounding fields' , and 'a pond' [a drug (aerial) dump site] . How coincidental that 'Special Branch' and other security services were conducting 'an intelligence led operation' , involving one of 'Jeremy Bambers contacts' who was living and operating from' Amsterdam', Holland' [a suspected international drug lord]? Also, what is widely not known, is that 'Jeremy Bamber' and 'his family' were the subject of a surveilance, which had been issued to coincide with the visit of 'Sheila Caffell' and 'her children' to her 'foster parents farmhouse' at 'whf'. Moreover, there exist official surveilance records confirming the 'Special Branch' officers had 'Jeremy Bamber' under an intense surveilance operaration, from as early as the 4th August 1985 [which was due to expire some 28 days later. In point of fact, 'Jeremy Bamber' was monitored and tracked back to his cottage, at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, Essex, on the evening prior to when the shooting incidents unfolded during the early hours of 7th August 1985. He was followed and tracked leaving whf and returning to his cottage at about 10.00pm on the evening before the shootings took place. 'Special Branch officers' know that 'Jeremy Bamber' did not return to tge family farmhouse that same evening, and that he left his cottage to go to tge farmhouse, as he was instructed to do so, by 'PC West'..

Is the quote from Mike?

This again further supports my belief that this was a professional job.

[Aunt Agatha]

'All the evidence proves it was neither Jeremy or Sheila'

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Agree there is no evidence Sheila fired a weapon or fought Nevill. Which shows it was Bamber.

What incriminating evidence would Bamber leave at the crime scene?

Yes, I agree Sheila would have been dying already from the first shot and therefore the second shot had to come from an outsider.  It wasn’t Jeremy!

In the event the hitman left any incriminating evidence everything had to be burned. Carpets especially to cover footprints.  It all had to be destroyed.

[Adam]

Yes, I agree Sheila would have been dying already from the first shot and therefore the second shot had to come from an outsider.  It wasn’t Jeremy!

In the event the hitman left any incriminating evidence everything had to be burned. Carpets especially to cover footprints.  It all had to be destroyed.

Do you believe Bamber hired a hit man?

[Aunt Agatha]

Do you believe Bamber hired a hit man?

No!! Not at all!!

This was a professional hit organised and delivered from the top.
Jeremy had no part in this whatsoever!!

[Adam]

No!! Not at all!!

This was a professional hit organised and delivered from the top.
Jeremy had no part in this whatsoever!!

How did Nevill have time to ring Bamber?

[Aunt Agatha]

Is the quote from Mike?

This again further supports my belief that this was a professional job.

Is there a source for this?

[David1819]

No!! Not at all!!

This was a professional hit organised and delivered from the top.
Jeremy had no part in this whatsoever!!

Then how on earth do you explain Nevills call to Jeremy implicating Sheila?

[lookout]

Brett Collins believes it was a hitman as he'll swear to this day that JB wouldn't and couldn't have carried out  such a murder.
Even EP initially refused to confirm in a newspaper that the family had been murdered by a hitman hired by drug-traffickers. At that time an inquest had been opened but it was adjourned until police had completed their investigations. This was reported in the Essex Chronicle on the 13th of September 1985.

The police had been looking into criminal and drug-related offences. Why didn't EP follow this ? 

[Aunt Agatha]

Then how on earth do you explain Nevills call to Jeremy implicating Sheila?

If someone has a gun to your head, or another member of your household, you’d make that call!

[Adam]

If someone has a gun to your head, or another member of your household, you’d make that call!

What is your view on Mike's theory that it was a hit man team?

[lookout]

In the year before the WHF murders Essex police had made a huge haul of cannabis/ cocaine during their Operation Bishop investigation. Essex was awash with drugs in the 80's which seemingly were shipped/ landed by helicopter from Lebanon.

[David1819]

If someone has a gun to your head, or another member of your household, you’d make that call!

lol

[lookout]

The drugs had been bought from a Lebanese gunman near Tripoli. 5 men were convicted and jailed in 1985. Drug smuggling was the major source of income for Middle Eastern militia and guerrilla organisations in the 1980's.