Important Question For NGB

[killingeve]

Is someone able to give a brief summary on claims of a second silencer and how it impacts Bamber's case.  Thanks.

[Bubo bubo]

You would do well to study the facts rather than the Psychology of groups of people you do not know. What qualifications do you have in this field in order to make your suggestions?

[Roch]

I think its utterly absurd to suggest such a diverse group of unconnected individuals were able to conspire to send an innocent Essex farmer to prison on such serious charges. 

Not only that people tell others and so the list would grow and grow.  People fall out ingest intoxicating substances and end up spilling beans.

Look what happened when Dominic Cummings fell out with Boris Johnson et al and the Sussexes fell out with the royal family.

They didn't 'all conspire'. Some just carried out their role in a certain way which benefitted the prosecution or failed to carry out their role to a certain extent, by which manner, again the prosecution benefitted. Some police officers were passively aware and some actively involved.  There was a narrative which was set by the second investigation. In terms of police, you were either expected to tow the line if you were involved or remain on the sidelines if you had problems with it. Are you able to direct us to any examples of police whistle blowing in the public domain, regarding wrongdoing and malpractice within the police? 

[killingeve]

You would do well to study the facts rather than the Phycology of groups of people you do not know. What qualifications do you have in this field in order to make your suggestions?

Common sense in terms of disputing the fact that such a large and unconnected group of people would have the wherewithal to conspire in such a way.

[Bubo bubo]

Is someone able to give a brief summary on claims of a second silencer and how it impacts Bamber's case.  Thanks.

Do the hard yards of studying. Giving potted views only leads to questions from the lazy being posed that would be answered by reading the full version of an argument. Why should you be indulged? Why should those on the innocent side devote time to answering follow up questions when the answers have already been set out in detail.

[killingeve]

If someone can brief me on the second silencer I will show that I'm not totally convinced of Bamber's guilt by posting something that may have been overlooked which supports the defence.  It may well have been posted before but I haven't seen it. 

[Bubo bubo]

Then post it. I am sure you will find others who are willing to examine it and tell you if it has been considered before and give you their views. Innocence supporters always engage I have found. Try reading the Silencer Saga thread for starters.

[lookout]

I think its utterly absurd to suggest such a diverse group of unconnected individuals were able to conspire to send an innocent Essex farmer to prison on such serious charges. 

Not only that people tell others and so the list would grow and grow.  People fall out ingest intoxicating substances and end up spilling beans.

Look what happened when Dominic Cummings fell out with Boris Johnson et al and the Sussexes fell out with the royal family.

Don't be so naive. Look how many officers knew that monster Couzens was rotten but did nothing about it, even back in 2015. There are people wworking for and within the law who are rotten to the core !!

[mike tesko]

How on earth would such a diverse group of people conspire and why?

I believe that they all contributed in the framing of 'Jeremy Bamber' , either, 'directly', or 'indirectly', or perhaps ' passively' or 'unknowingly'. Those who are still alive, need to be 'arrested' and 'interviewed', and 'where appropriate' either 'Charged wth conspuring to pervert the course of justice', and or 'not'. I have many examples in my own battle with the South Yorkshire police, the local CPS, and the judiciary from the bottom to the top, and my fair share of witnesses who for one reason or another, 'talk bullshit' [`inventing deliberate and false lies'] , but they say things because 'it helps the police/prosecutions case, and in many instances, 'themselves', either 'financially', or 'because of favour' [ although responsible for 'being responsible' , or 'deeply involved in the commisioning of this' , or 'that' crime, they would 'not be prosecuted'...

'Unfortunately' , such is the nature of human beings, that (1) - if there is only one persons account in 'any set of circumstances', that is 'accepted' , or 'treated' , as 'the actual truth'. However, 'the more witness accounts', 'the more versions of the truth', 'come into play'...

The 'psychology', and the 'intelectual ability' of 'any witness, account' is 'not the same in every instance' , for example, 'most witnesses' are 'intellectually educated' to 'one level' or 'another'...

[Adam]

I believe that they all contributed in the framing of 'Jeremy Bamber' , either, 'directly', or 'indirectly', or perhaps ' passively' or 'unknowingly'. Those who are still alive, need to be 'arrested' and 'interviewed', and 'where appropriate' either 'Charged wth conspuring to pervert the course of justice', and or 'not'. I have many examples in my own battle with the South Yorkshire police, the local CPS, and the judiciary from the bottom to the top, and my fair share of witnesses who for one reason or another, 'talk bullshit' [`inventing deliberate and false lies'] , but they say things because 'it helps the police/prosecutions case, and in many instances, 'themselves', either 'financially', or 'because of favour' [ although responsible for 'being responsible' , or 'deeply involved in the commisioning of this' , or 'that' crime, they would 'not be prosecuted'...

'Unfortunately' , such is the nature of human beings, that (1) - if there is only one persons account in 'any set of circumstances', that is 'accepted' , or 'treated' , as 'the actual truth'. However, 'the more witness accounts', 'the more versions of the truth', 'come into play'...

The 'psychology', and the 'intelectual ability' of 'any witness, account' is 'not the same in every instance' , for example, 'most witnesses' are 'intellectually educated' to 'one level' or 'another'...

Julie was not in your list Mike.

[killingeve]

I believe that they all contributed in the framing of 'Jeremy Bamber' , either, 'directly', or 'indirectly', or perhaps ' passively' or 'unknowingly'. Those who are still alive, need to be 'arrested' and 'interviewed', and 'where appropriate' either 'Charged wth conspuring to pervert the course of justice', and or 'not'. I have many examples in my own battle with the South Yorkshire police, the local CPS, and the judiciary from the bottom to the top, and my fair share of witnesses who for one reason or another, 'talk bullshit' [`inventing deliberate and false lies'] , but they say things because 'it helps the police/prosecutions case, and in many instances, 'themselves', either 'financially', or 'because of favour' [ although responsible for 'being responsible' , or 'deeply involved in the commisioning of this' , or 'that' crime, they would 'not be prosecuted'...

'Unfortunately' , such is the nature of human beings, that (1) - if there is only one persons account in 'any set of circumstances', that is 'accepted' , or 'treated' , as 'the actual truth'. However, 'the more witness accounts', 'the more versions of the truth', 'come into play'...

The 'psychology', and the 'intelectual ability' of 'any witness, account' is 'not the same in every instance' , for example, 'most witnesses' are 'intellectually educated' to 'one level' or 'another'...

With respect I think the operative words in the above are "my own battle with the South Yorkshire police".  I appreciate you being honest about your situation but I think you might lack objectivity given as you say your own battle.

I doubt there are many people today who hold the police in high esteem but to suggest the number of people you claim conspired against Bamber is too far fetched for me.

[mike tesko]

Julie was not in your list Mike.

Thank you, for pointing this out to me - it was not a deliberate ploy!

[Aunt Agatha]

Common sense in terms of disputing the fact that such a large and unconnected group of people would have the wherewithal to conspire in such a way.

They are not ALL not connected.
Many were part of a secret society and orders came from ABOVE!

[killingeve]

Then post it. I am sure you will find others who are willing to examine it and tell you if it has been considered before and give you their views. Innocence supporters always engage I have found. Try reading the Silencer Saga thread for starters.

Sure.  Well I am assuming claims of a second silencer involve Mr Bamber's nephew, Anthony Pargeter, and any silencer he may have had for firearms he kept at the farmhouse?  As such I familiarised myself with his statements again and noted he observed 2 boxes of ammunition on Mr Bamber's desk in the downstairs office which I think was known as the 'den'. 

Bamber said when he took the rifle outside on 6th August he tipped a nearly full box (full being 50) of ammunition onto the kitchen work surface.  25 shots were fired and 29 or 30 remained on the work surface.  Therefore however many Bamber found in the nearly full box it seems the murderer didn't use ammunition from this source.  For reasons unknown to me this has been used against Bamber. It is claimed ammunition was not left lying around elsewhere and there was no sign the murderer accessed ammunition from that found in the gun cupboard.  But it seems a few days before the murders,when Anthony Pargeter and his family visited, ammunition was left on Mr Bamber's desk.  Are there any images of Mr Bamber's desk from morning of 7th Aug?

[killingeve]

They are not ALL not connected.
Many were part of a secret society and orders came from ABOVE!

I am sorry I do not understand your first sentence?

Which secret society?  And who gave orders from above?