Important Question For NGB

[lookout]

Not sure why Rob disputes evidence which is 36 years old.

Even the CT only dispute one piece - the silencer. That is only because the relatives handed it in.

1st silencer handed in by police--7th August.
2nd silencer handed in by relatives---10th August.

[Adam]

1st silencer handed in by police--7th August.
2nd silencer handed in by relatives---10th August.

You are doing the right thing. Focusing on the silencer.

The CT just focus on one piece of evidence - the silencer. I assume because the family handed it in.

[lookout]

You are doing the right thing. Focusing on the silencer.

The CT just focus on one piece of evidence - the silencer. I assume because the family handed it in.

2 Silencers !

[Adam]

2 Silencers !

 

[mike tesko]

Three silencers at the heart of 'this corrupt act of deception' -

(1) - 'SBJ/1' item no. 22

(2) - 'DB/1', lab'item no. 23

(3) - 'DRB/1', lab' item no. 23/22 [formally referred to as exhibit references, 'AE/1' and 'CAE/1']

[killingeve]

1st silencer handed in by police--7th August.
2nd silencer handed in by relatives---10th August.

Where's the evidence of a silencer found on 7th August? 

Why would Mr Bamber snr have wasted money on purchasing a second silencer for the .22 rifle?  Futhermore the gun shop confirmed a .22 rifle, silencer, telescopic sights and ammunition was purchased.  Nothing about 2 silencers. 

[mike tesko]

Three silencers at the heart of 'this corrupt act of deception' -

(1) - 'SBJ/1' item no. 22

(2) - 'DB/1', lab'item no. 23

(3) - 'DRB/1', lab' item no. 23/22 [formally referred to as exhibit references, 'AE/1' and 'CAE/1']

Here is 'a comprehensive list of all the people who knew the truth' [and 'know the truth' ] about 'the plot' or 'plan to convict', 'Jeremy Bamber' of these 'five murders' , by 'falsely claiming that there was' and 'is' evidence, of 'blood group evidence' , and 'red paint particle evidence', 'inside' and 'on the outer case/metal end cap of one silencer' , when if the truth be 'known/exposed', there 'were/are', 'three different silencers' which were 'recovered' , 'found' or 'seized' , on 'three separate occasions' , each of which had 'different exhibit references' , and 'different item' , or 'lab' item reference numbers' - there can be  'no escape' for any of 'those/these', 'lousy [low life] criminals' . They must be `arrested`, `interviewed`, and `charged`, and 'If' /'when convicted' [even if those involved have to be convicted posthumously] , every single one of them should be sentenced 'to spend the rest of their natural lives' in prison', without 'any prospect of parole' , or 'release back into society'..

'DCS Ainsley'
'DI Miller'
'PC Whiddon'
'DCI Jones'
'ACC Simpson'
'DI Cook'
'DC Hammersley'
'DS Davidson'
'PC Bird'
'PI Montgomery'
'PS Adams'
'PC Collins'
'Police Surgeon, Dr Craig'
'David Boutflour'
'Robert Boutflour'
'Ann Eaton'
''Peter Eaton'
'DS Eastwood'
'DS Davison'
'DC Oakley'
'DC Oakey'
'Anthony Pargeter'
'Malcomb Fletcher'
''Mr Justice Drake'
'Douglas Hurd'
'Members of the CCRC'
'Members of the Royal Court of justice'
Ect, ect, ect...

[Bubo bubo]

Where's the evidence of a silencer found on 7th August? 

Try reading the Silencer Saga thread for starters.

[Steve_uk]

Try reading the Silencer Saga thread for starters.

Why don't you recap for the uninitiated..

[killingeve]

Try reading the Silencer Saga thread for starters.

Bamber was asked to complete another statement on 8th August to clarify aspects of the rifle, silencer etc. 
On 8th September Bamber was interviewed by DCI Jones and asked questions about the silencer.  DCI Jones always believed the case was murder/suicide.  He makes no mention of a second silencer nor does Bamber. 

Where is the evidence for a second silencer?  And even if there was a second silencer how does this overcome the case against Bamber?

[killingeve]

Here is 'a comprehensive list of all the people who knew the truth' [and 'know the truth' ] about 'the plot' or 'plan to convict', 'Jeremy Bamber' of these 'five murders' , by 'falsely claiming that there was' and 'is' evidence, of 'blood group evidence' , and 'red paint particle evidence', 'inside' and 'on the outer case/metal end cap of one silencer' , when if the truth be 'known/exposed', there 'were/are', 'three different silencers' which were 'recovered' , 'found' or 'seized' , on 'three separate occasions' , each of which had 'different exhibit references' , and 'different item' , or 'lab' item reference numbers' - there can be  'no escape' for any of 'those/these', 'lousy [low life] criminals' . They must be `arrested`, `interviewed`, and `charged`, and 'If' /'when convicted' [even if those involved have to be convicted posthumously] , every single one of them should be sentenced 'to spend the rest of their natural lives' in prison', without 'any prospect of parole' , or 'release back into society'..

'DCS Ainsley'
'DI Miller'
'PC Whiddon'
'DCI Jones'
'ACC Simpson'
'DI Cook'
'DC Hammersley'
'DS Davidson'
'PC Bird'
'PI Montgomery'
'PS Adams'
'PC Collins'
'Police Surgeon, Dr Craig'
'David Boutflour'
'Robert Boutflour'
'Ann Eaton'
''Peter Eaton'
'DS Eastwood'
'DS Davison'
'DC Oakley'
'DC Oakey'
'Anthony Pargeter'
'Malcomb Fletcher'
''Mr Justice Drake'
'Douglas Hurd'
'Members of the CCRC'
'Members of the Royal Court of justice'
Ect, ect, ect...

How on earth would such a diverse group of people conspire and why?

[lookout]

How on earth would such a diverse group of people conspire and why?

Why not ? It's been done before, hasn't it ? Concealment for starters.

[Roch]

In the thread 'private communications between Mike Tesko and David Shaw', Shaw lists which officers were passively aware and which were actively involved. As for the likes of Drake, I think he was dodgy.   

[Bubo bubo]

Why don't you recap for the uninitiated..

I do not see why I should spoon feed guilters who are only prepared to regurgitate the Crown case and do not seek to understand the other side of the argument. This is a highly difficult case to unravel. There are a huge number of different facets and aspects.

I have spent 10 years studying what I consider to be the key issues based only (I admit) from information on the internet. To have a deeper understanding of what happened takes hours of reading and self reasoning. Have you read my posts on JM and JB? You did not engage when I posted them.

Which kind of makes my point. Have YOU read the Silencer Saga Thread? Indeed how much of my point of view have you studied. Some people on the left politically tend not to read the Telegraph because it publishes right wing views. Similarly those on the right tend not to read the Guardian.

To fully understand an issue we must take seriously what both sides are saying. This case needs those that wish to understand it to devote a lot of time, something that most do not have in our helter skelter lives.

I do not hold a rock solid view on guilt or innocence. All I can say is that from my analysis it is an MOJ and he was framed. I have yet  to see any of my arguments proved incorrect. Watch the Birdie is another thread you might find interesting.

[killingeve]

Why not ? It's been done before, hasn't it ? Concealment for starters.

I think its utterly absurd to suggest such a diverse group of unconnected individuals were able to conspire to send an innocent Essex farmer to prison on such serious charges. 

Not only that people tell others and so the list would grow and grow.  People fall out ingest intoxicating substances and end up spilling beans.

Look what happened when Dominic Cummings fell out with Boris Johnson et al and the Sussexes fell out with the royal family.