Important Question For NGB

[JackieD]

In the documentary yesterday Malcolm Fletcher made it look almost impossible for Sheila to reload the gun. What were your thoughts on that part of the documentary?

[lookout]

Sheila's father wouldn't have had the same problem. How do we know that he hadn't loaded it then Sheila grabbed it by bashing him with the other rifle breaking its butt ?

[ngb1066]

In the documentary yesterday Malcolm Fletcher made it look almost impossible for Sheila to reload the gun. What were your thoughts on that part of the documentary?

I have not seen it yet.  When I have I will respond.

[Roch]

I wonder if the CT have shot themselves in the foot by withdrawing cooperation. I'm sure their motives for doing so will have been genuine. However, if the likes of Fletcher, Ainsley and Lee are having their two-penneth, what's the point in letting them go unchallenged. Two of those names are dodgy people and the third is a police/authorities worshipper.  In theory the CT could have used the programme to remonstrate regarding anything they felt was awry. In practice, maybe not.

[Adam]

'almost impossible for Sheila to reload the gun.'

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Interesting. And there was no evidence she did.

[David1819]

I wonder if the CT have shot themselves in the foot by withdrawing cooperation. I'm sure their motives for doing so will have been genuine. However, if the likes of Fletcher, Ainsley and Lee are having their two-penneth, what's the point in letting them go unchallenged. Two of those names are dodgy people and the third is a police/authorities worshipper.  In theory the CT could have used the programme to remonstrate regarding anything they felt was awry. In practice, maybe not.

More reputable Bamber supporters were given airtime.

[JackieD]

I wonder if the CT have shot themselves in the foot by withdrawing cooperation. I'm sure their motives for doing so will have been genuine. However, if the likes of Fletcher, Ainsley and Lee are having their two-penneth, what's the point in letting them go unchallenged. Two of those names are dodgy people and the third is a police/authorities worshipper.  In theory the CT could have used the programme to remonstrate regarding anything they felt was awry. In practice, maybe not.

That’s exactly what I thought. There was so much to challenge in the programme.

It would be great to have a programme challenging all the misleading points

Mark came across well. He could do that.

I bet the relatives are furious after the programme focused on the summing up

Ngb has said that from the beginning

[mike tesko]

I watched the first episode with an open mind, and without giving away any clues regarding what I made of its content, I would just like to mention a couple of issues, Which contradict, either witness statement, or court testimony versions of the alleged circumstances - involving the farm secretary [Barbsra Wilson],,

[Rob_]

I watched all four episodes now, perhaps I am reading too much into this but Brews annoys me.

In three interviews I have seen first he says Myall saw the reflection in the window, then in the second latter interview it was JB and then in this series it appears to be him who saw it?

He mentions it all these years latter but does not mention it in his statement.  Also he claims that he called up the armed police before seeing the reflection which is a lie, the armed police were called in after they ran back to the car.

[Bill Robertson]

Also he (Bews) claims that he called up the armed police before seeing the reflection which is a lie, the armed police were called in after they ran back to the car.

Interestingly, the FSU were told to go to the Armoury to collect their weapons several minutes before Bews, JB and Myall set off to take a look at the farmhouse. It suggests that inspector Scollan at HQ was aware of the need for armed police independently of Bews report. It is my view that someone, perhaps Nevill, managed to call 999 sometime before 4 am. In any event, Scollan started the process of deploying armed officers before Bews reported back at 04:09.

[Rob_]

Interestingly, the FSU were told to go to the Armoury to collect their weapons several minutes before Bews, JB and Myall set off to take a look at the farmhouse. It suggests that inspector Scollan at HQ was aware of the need for armed police independently of Bews report. It is my view that someone, perhaps Nevill, managed to call 999 sometime before 4 am. In any event, Scollan started the process of deploying armed officers before Bews reported back at 04:09.

Thanks this is interesting I was not aware of this, if the armed police were deployed before Bews called in then there had to have been a 999 or a second call?

[Bill Robertson]

Thanks this is interesting I was not aware of this, if the armed police were deployed before Bews called in then there had to have been a 999 or a second call?

I will send you the information that I have via PM. We need to bear in mind that PC West and Malcolm Bonnet would presumably both have tried the WHF phone number between 03:30 and 04:00, maybe one of them got through, or someone dialed out from WHF. My memory is a bit hazy on the precise timings now, but I will access the relevant documents and send it to you.

[Rob_]

I will send you the information that I have via PM. We need to bear in mind that PC West and Malcolm Bonnet would presumably both have tried the WHF phone number between 03:30 and 04:00, maybe one of them got through, or someone dialed out from WHF. My memory is a bit hazy on the precise timings now, but I will access the relevant documents and send it to you.

Thanks sounds very interesting!

[guest29835]

I will send you the information that I have via PM. We need to bear in mind that PC West and Malcolm Bonnet would presumably both have tried the WHF phone number between 03:30 and 04:00, maybe one of them got through, or someone dialed out from WHF. My memory is a bit hazy on the precise timings now, but I will access the relevant documents and send it to you.

Any chance you could copy me in on that PM please, Bill? 

The only reservation I have about this is that it is surely possible that HQ or Witham had the FSU on stand-by and that is what your evidence shows.  I assume this was considered necessary because, in a small county force like Essex, the FSU would not be on 24-hour stand-by in the same manner as, say, the fire brigade.  It would then be down to the response officers (Bews, Myall, Saxby) to call in to confirm they would be required. 

[killingeve]

ngb1066 based on any knowledge you might have about Bamber's 03/21 submission do you believe it will be referred?  Thanks.

ETA - Maybe this gives an outline

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/new-ccrc-submission