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[guest29835]

It is strange that supporters refuse to give a Sheila scenario. They are saying Sheil did it!

It's upsetting for me, too, Adam.  I was almost crying about it the other day.  If supporters won't come up with Sheila scenarios, then I think they should pack it all in and write to Jeremy and tell him so.  In fact, Jeremy himself ought to provide a Sheila scenario in one of his prison letters.  We want a Sheila scenario and we want it now!

[Rob_]

It is strange that supporters refuse to give a Sheila scenario. They are saying Sheil did it!

Because experienced police officers on the scene were happy the crime scene supported four murders and a suicide!

Why have a wild guess? does your scenario Adam explain how a badly injured June jumped over the duvet on the floor without touching it?

Which statements do I use to base my scenario on Brews and co original one or the shortened one with the reflection in the window removed/ or maybe a person?

Does my scenario need to allow for one, two or none silencers being used that night?

[Rob_]

Rob I’ve put a link for you to read about earlier posts of Sheila’s feet? Have a read mate.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8696.0.html

Thanks RJ I have not read it all, but if the negatives were all in their original strips and numbered then this should be easy to determine.

My question is where are the other photos of the other foot, palms of the hands etc.? Why are photos being drip fed out over many years?

[Adam]

Because experienced police officers on the scene were happy the crime scene supported four murders and a suicide!

Why have a wild guess? does your scenario Adam explain how a badly injured June jumped over the duvet on the floor without touching it?

Which statements do I use to base my scenario on Brews and co original one or the shortened one with the reflection in the window removed/ or maybe a person?

Does my scenario need to allow for one, two or none silencers being used that night?

Your Sheila scenario does not need to include a silencer.

[Rob_]

Your Sheila scenario does not need to include a silencer.

Ok thanks that's good because I don't think one was used anyway.

[Adam]

Ok thanks that's good because I don't think one was used anyway.

Look forward to reading your scenario.

[guest7363]

Thanks RJ I have not read it all, but if the negatives were all in their original strips and numbered then this should be easy to determine.

My question is where are the other photos of the other foot, palms of the hands etc.? Why are photos being drip fed out over many years?

No problem Rob, I would be careful what photo’s you believe Rob I’ve seen fake and doctored documents and photo’s on here in the past, one supposedly from a Police officer.  It doesn’t get them anywhere, it has the opposite effect.  Your doing the right thing though, asking questions and you come across as a nice person and this forum needs posters like you.

The blood on Sheila’s feet was covered in the 2002 appeal Rob, if you want to read part of it, scroll down to Ground 2 paragraph 233, Disturbance of Crime Scene.  I don’t think it answers fully your photograph query, but it might help you.  Some things in this appeal might answer some of your questions.


https://ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/Bamber.PDF

[Roch]

No problem Rob, I would be careful what photo’s you believe Rob I’ve seen fake and doctored documents and photo’s on here in the past, one supposedly from a Police officer.  It doesn’t get them anywhere, it has the opposite effect.  Your doing the right thing though, asking questions and you come across as a nice person and this forum needs posters like you.

The blood on Sheila’s feet was covered in the 2002 appeal Rob, if you want to read part of it, scroll down to Ground 2 paragraph 233, Disturbance of Crime Scene.  I don’t think it answers fully your photograph query, but it might help you.  Some things in this appeal might answer some of your questions.


https://ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/Bamber.PDF

You are referring to a document Mike put up. I don't think it's fair to use the phrase 'them' RJ. As for photos, it has been claimed that the photo of Sheila's throat was enhanced to make the blood look wet but it's also been claimed that it looks wet because of flash photography. It seems those making the accusations are not in agreement. It should also be noted that at times, a prosecution will also need to enhance photos to argue their case. Enhancing of photos is not necessary skullduggery, it could actually be the opposite. This is where David's arguments regarding enhancing CCTV images fall down. The police tried to enhance the images of a white van suspected of being linked to a murder on Twickenham Green. If they had successfully done so, it may have led to Levi Bellfield being caught earlier than he was. David would support that. But if you provide him with an example where the enhancement of a camera image shows that the handle attachment on Tommy Mair's bag dropped in the street is different to the bag presented by police in evidence, he dismisses and mocks. Sorry RJ but you can't have it both ways, re enhanced or magnified images. And re Sheila's throat, how do the little pools also look wet where it was suggested finger marks were made?

[guest7363]

You are referring to a document Mike put up. I don't think it's fair to use the phrase 'them' RJ. As for photos, it has been claimed that the photo of Sheila's throat was enhanced to make the blood look wet but it's also been claimed that it looks wet because of flash photography. It seems those making the accusations are not in agreement. It should also be noted that at times, a prosecution will also need to enhance photos to argue their case. Enhancing of photos is not necessary skullduggery, it could actually be the opposite. This is where David's arguments regarding enhancing CCTV images fall down. The police tried to enhance the images of a white van suspected of being linked to a murder on Twickenham Green. If they had successfully done so, it may have led to Levi Bellfield being caught earlier than he was. David would support that. But if you provide him with an example where the enhancement of a camera image shows that the handle attachment on Tommy Mair's bag dropped in the street is different to the bag presented by police in evidence, he dismisses and mocks. Sorry RJ but you can't have it both ways, re enhanced or magnified images. And re Sheila's throat, how do the little pools also look wet where it was suggested finger marks were made?

Hi Roch, I’m not getting into an argument and going over what’s happened on here over the last 11 years, I’m merely pointing out to Rob what has happened in the past so be careful, I don’t give a toss who believes what, it’s good to have genuine posters like Rob on here so.   Why do you bring David into this, I’ve not accused anyone and I didn’t bring anyone it to it, you must and show a guilty conscience. 

[guest7363]

Hi Roch, I’m not getting into an argument and going over what’s happened on here over the last 11 years, I’m merely pointing out to Rob what has happened in the past so be careful, I don’t give a toss who believes what, it’s good to have genuine posters like Rob on here so.   Why do you bring David into this, I’ve not accused anyone and I didn’t bring anyone it to it, you must and show a guilty conscience.

Anyway mate, grab yourself a bike and see this great Country of ours 🙈🙈👍

[Roch]

Hi Roch, I’m not getting into an argument and going over what’s happened on here over the last 11 years, I’m merely pointing out to Rob what has happened in the past so be careful, I don’t give a toss who believes what, it’s good to have genuine posters like Rob on here so.   Why do you bring David into this, I’ve not accused anyone and I didn’t bring anyone it to it, you must and show a guilty conscience.

Alright RJ, well David aside etc, even the doc that Mike posted up - I would ask what was its real purpose? Was it Mike saying 'hey look.. the police can get together behind the scenes and rewrite statements that omit things, alter nuances, add things; they don't even have to physically sign them - yet such statements are classed as 'evidence' and relied upon by those supporting guilt.. so here I've done my own version based on what I think actually happened'.

[Roch]

Anyway mate, grab yourself a bike and see this great Country of ours 🙈🙈👍

Think I would struggle to ride around the estate. I can walk up hills but only slowly. 

[guest7363]

Alright RJ, well David aside etc, even the doc that Mike posted up - I would ask what was its real purpose? Was it Mike saying 'hey look.. the police can get together behind the scenes and rewrite statements that omit things, alter nuances, add things; they don't even have to physically sign them - yet such statements are classed as 'evidence' and relied upon by those supporting guilt.. so here I've done my own version based on what I think actually happened'.

I don’t  think he was Roch, because he became very annoyed and angry when he got called out, even to the point of trying to ban me and calling me a Pedo.  You know mate what’s happened on here over the past without me going over old ground, I fell into  the same  trap, we all have, I’m merely without any bias pointing out to Rob, be careful that’s all mate. 

[Roch]

I don’t  think he was Roch, because he became very annoyed and angry when he got called out, even to the point of trying to ban me and calling me a Pedo.  You know mate what’s happened on here over the past without me going over old ground, I fell into  the same  trap, we all have, I’m merely without any bias pointing out to Rob, be careful that’s all mate.

OK well fair point.

[guest7363]

Think I would struggle to ride around the estate. I can walk up hills but only slowly. 

If it’s your knees Roch, cycling is the best form of exercise for them, it’s a low impact exercise on the knees.  It builds Cardio and strengthen’s the muscle around the knee, if you struggle on hills look at the pedal assist bikes 👍