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« Reply #540 on: October 06, 2021, 11:49:AM »
What did people make of this?

https://ccrc.gov.uk/press-releases/ccrc-releases-official-response-to-the-westminster-commission-report/



We welcome transparency????

Somebody was having a laugh writing that

Release everything Mugford told the police and the case will quickly be fast tracked to the appeal court
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #541 on: October 06, 2021, 11:50:AM »
Your posts are made with the intention of goading. Fact

Other members see this also

You are make comments about submissions which you could not possibly know the extent of the submissions

Fact

We had another poster on this forum previously who used to goad other members and I will continue to call you out if I personally believe your behaviour is unacceptable

Have you listened to the podcast?

If my behaviour is unacceptable I am sure the moderator is more than capable of editing/removing posts/banning me.  It seems to me you are unable to have your posts challenged without making it personal.

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« Reply #542 on: October 06, 2021, 11:53:AM »
That’s not what happens. I worked on several areas of the submission on behalf of the campaign team. The process is that an individual person finds something that they deem worthy of being submitted to the CCRC. The case, with evidence is compiled and given to the campaign team. Where necessary, as in my case, independent forensic experts are consulted. The completed report is given to the lawyers. They examine the materials and comment, referring back for further work where needed. In no sense do the lawyers just rubber stamp what is given to them, that would be crazy. They have their professional reputation to protect. What was submitted to the CCRC was in effect the lawyers work. We just assisted them with research.

As I said in a post a moment ago the female presenter clearly states the lawyers did not need to do any research as the support group did it all on their behalf.  Please listen for yourself at 1.25.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf2WCKkT1M&t=137s

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« Reply #543 on: October 06, 2021, 12:11:PM »
Have you listened to the podcast?

If my behaviour is unacceptable I am sure the moderator is more than capable of editing/removing posts/banning me.  It seems to me you are unable to have your posts challenged without making it personal.

I am not in the slightest bit interested in anything regarding the submissions apart from what the lawyers have submitted

I am not interested in a guessing game. The Jeremy Bamber case is very high profile at the moment and I focus on that. Every media/production company want a piece of the Bamber case. This is a good time for British Justice and a very bad time for everyone hoping this will go away
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #544 on: October 06, 2021, 12:12:PM »
You need to move on a little at 1.25.  The female clearly states the support group understand the issues inside out, back to front, and upside down.  She then goes on to say that the lawyers haven't had to research anything because the support group have done it on their behalf.  She acknowledges this is unusual in that lawyers usually refuse to work with campaign groups. 

Prior to this the male gave the example of how they found some new material re the burns.  What he fails to understand is that at trial both pathologists were unable to conclude anything about the the so-called burns.  Therefore the jury could not have possibly taken the 'burns' into account in reaching a verdict.

We're going round in circles.  We know the CT do the research.  We've all told you this.  I would assume that the lawyers make the submissions.  What Bill says above supports this, and it's also the interpretation I choose to put on what Philip says.

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« Reply #545 on: October 06, 2021, 12:25:PM »
We're going round in circles.  We know the CT do the research.  We've all told you this.  I would assume that the lawyers make the submissions.  What Bill says above supports this, and it's also the interpretation I choose to put on what Philip says.

Well its up to who you choose to rely but I can only go on what the support group puts out.  Interestingly the female starts by saying 'I' and then reverts to 'We'...understand the issues inside out, back to front, and upside down.  Can anyone provide me with evidence to support her claims that the police shot Sheila; the crime scene was used as a training exercise; a call from Mr Bamber snr to the police; a 999 call and suicide note from Sheila stating 'I have just killed myself'; evidence Sheila was observed by the Aga and run upstairs to shoot herself; conclusive evidence (which is what the review commission are looking for and ultimately appeal court) that shows the silencer was contaminated with Robert Boutflour's blood (or anyone elses). 

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« Reply #546 on: October 06, 2021, 12:25:PM »
I am not in the slightest bit interested in anything regarding the submissions apart from what the lawyers have submitted

I am not interested in a guessing game. The Jeremy Bamber case is very high profile at the moment and I focus on that. Every media/production company want a piece of the Bamber case. This is a good time for British Justice and a very bad time for everyone hoping this will go away

The other side have pulled off quite a propaganda coup with the drama and Theroux. It couldn't have happened at a worse time for JB. I do not believe the timing is a coincidence. JB is still very much the underdog here.

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« Reply #547 on: October 06, 2021, 12:34:PM »
The other side have pulled off quite a propaganda coup with the drama and Theroux. It couldn't have happened at a worse time for JB. I do not believe the timing is a coincidence. JB is still very much the underdog here.

Bamber and his campaign team choose to use social media and attempt to get the likes of David James Smith and Carol Ann Lee on board.  It backfires badly and they never learn.  Now they have the likes of Bamber's so-called bestie turning on him.  What positives have come out of Bambers association with social and mainstream media?  Forums like this are different in that he and his support people can distance themselves. 

Youre right Bamber is the underdog.  Whether you agree or disagree with the contributors to the recent doc most believe Bamber is where he should be.  And it wasn't just local gossips you have the likes of Justice Henriques.
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« Reply #548 on: October 06, 2021, 12:56:PM »
Bamber and his campaign team choose to use social media and attempt to get the likes of David James Smith and Carol Ann Lee on board.  It backfires badly and they never learn.  Now they have the likes of Bamber's so-called bestie turning on him.  What positives have come out of Bambers association with social and mainstream media?  Forums like this are different in that he and his support people can distance themselves. 

Youre right Bamber is the underdog.  Whether you agree or disagree with the contributors to the recent doc most believe Bamber is where he should be.  And it wasn't just local gossips you have the likes of Justice Henriques.

An over reliance on the 2002 appeal will not help you understand what really took place at WHF, in my opinion. It occurred before a huge amount of material was released. Material which may have prevented the original convictions in the first place (if Rivlin had had access and had performed his duties properly).  I understand that differs from your opinion.

The makers of the drama in my opinion should be sued. In fact I hope they are at a later date. Though I accept, it is highly unlikely to take place. What is needed in this case is a 'Rough Justice' type exploration of the evidence from a defence stance, with some room afforded for counter argument from the prosecution stance. That will not happen. Such programmes are not made anymore. Media companies will not commission or produce anything similar until the convictions are overturned, therefore the defence lack the firepower of the state. It's an uneven competition, when it comes to resources. What we have just witnessed is a massive drive to shore up the conviction, in attempt to counteract anything that threatens the convictions from the material released in recent years. Although many of the protagonists involved genuinely believe in their own guilty stance, they are in effect puppets in a wider game being played out with high stakes. The likes of Jaques wouldn't impress me. I don't doth my cap to seniority.

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« Reply #549 on: October 06, 2021, 01:00:PM »
An over reliance on the 2002 appeal will not help you understand what really took place at WHF, in my opinion. It occurred before a huge amount of material was released. Material which may have prevented the original convictions in the first place (if Rivlin had had access and had performed his duties properly).  I understand that differs from your opinion.

The makers of the drama in my opinion should be sued. In fact I hope they are at a later date. Though I accept, it is highly unlikely to take place. What is needed in this case is a 'Rough Justice' type exploration of the evidence from a defence stance, with some room afforded for counter argument from the prosecution stance. That will not happen. Such programmes are not made anymore. Media companies will not commission or produce anything similar until the convictions are overturned, therefore the defence lack the firepower of the state. It's an uneven competition, when it comes to resources. What we have just witnessed is a massive drive to shore up the conviction, in attempt to counteract anything that threatens the convictions from the material released in recent years. Although many of the protagonists involved genuinely believe in their own guilty stance, they are in effect puppets in a wider game being played out with high stakes. The likes of Jaques wouldn't impress me. I don't doth my cap to seniority.

You obviously overlooked the fact I spent some considerable time here looking through the documents when I joined in March 2020.  I have a tendency to think before I open my mouth  ;)

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« Reply #550 on: October 06, 2021, 01:03:PM »
An over reliance on the 2002 appeal will not help you understand what really took place at WHF, in my opinion. It occurred before a huge amount of material was released. Material which may have prevented the original convictions in the first place (if Rivlin had had access and had performed his duties properly).  I understand that differs from your opinion.

The makers of the drama in my opinion should be sued. In fact I hope they are at a later date. Though I accept, it is highly unlikely to take place. What is needed in this case is a 'Rough Justice' type exploration of the evidence from a defence stance, with some room afforded for counter argument from the prosecution stance. That will not happen. Such programmes are not made anymore. Media companies will not commission or produce anything similar until the convictions are overturned, therefore the defence lack the firepower of the state. It's an uneven competition, when it comes to resources. What we have just witnessed is a massive drive to shore up the conviction, in attempt to counteract anything that threatens the convictions from the material released in recent years. Although many of the protagonists involved genuinely believe in their own guilty stance, they are in effect puppets in a wider game being played out with high stakes. The likes of Jaques wouldn't impress me. I don't doth my cap to seniority.

The prog makers no doubt contacted the likes of Judge Rivlin and Bamber's past and present lawyers.  Perhaps they declined to comment.

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« Reply #551 on: October 06, 2021, 01:06:PM »
You obviously overlooked the fact I spent some considerable time here looking through the documents when I joined in March 2020.  I have a tendency to think before I open my mouth  ;)

Well there are a lot of documents on here but there are a lot more we don't have access to on this forum. Not all documents are in statements and transcripts section on here. Some might be within the hundreds of threads that there are.

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« Reply #552 on: October 06, 2021, 01:08:PM »
The prog makers no doubt contacted the likes of Judge Rivlin and Bamber's past and present lawyers.  Perhaps they declined to comment.

It's a pity they didn't contact David to appear. In under ten mins, he could have significantly undermined Mugford's testimony. It's all about planting a seed isn't it?

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« Reply #553 on: October 06, 2021, 01:16:PM »
It's a pity they didn't contact David to appear. In under ten mins, he could have significantly undermined Mugford's testimony. It's all about planting a seed isn't it?

How would he have done that?

David has just claimed AE told Julie about the kitchen window. While Julie was Bamber's girlfriend!
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« Reply #554 on: October 06, 2021, 01:20:PM »
The other side have pulled off quite a propaganda coup with the drama and Theroux. It couldn't have happened at a worse time for JB. I do not believe the timing is a coincidence. JB is still very much the underdog here.

I'm inclined to agree.  I think if the Mindhouse team took the pro-innocence argument seriously, the documentary would have been more focused on that - and it probably would have got much more attention and higher ratings.  They clearly took a pro-guilty view and the documentary ended up as a series of random clips and rather aimless.