Louis Theroux

[Rob_]

It did not.  I have demonstrated this on here in a thread I started previously.  The police tried to demonstrate it could with a photograph of the rifle in the cupboard with the silencer on, but what people don't take into account is that the position of the rifle in the photograph is contrived.  An ordinary, casual user would not spend time trying to construe to fit the moderated rifle in the cupboard like a contestant on the Krypton Factor, you would just take the silencer off. Jeremy was right on this point.

Thanks QC so if Sheila grabbed the gun from the cupboard it would not have had the silencer on it.

[guest29835]

Bews was miles away as Bamber was cycling back.

Which route(s) did he take, there and back?

Roughly how long did it take him each way?

Did he use front and rear lights on the bike along this route that night?

What do you think he would have done had he come across somebody on the way back?

How did he slip out of Bourtree Cottage and Goldhanger unseen and return unseen?

Did he stage a call from Nevill or just make it up?  If he staged the call, what was the process and timings for this?

Why did he leave the bike at Bourtree Cottage for the police to find?

[Adam]

Thanks QC so if Sheila grabbed the gun from the cupboard it would not have had the silencer on it.

Bamber testified he left the rifle and bullets in the kitchen.

[Steve_uk]

Thanks QC so if Sheila grabbed the gun from the cupboard it would not have had the silencer on it.

Now you're inventing your own narrative.

[lookout]

Now you're inventing your own narrative.

Isn't that what everyone else is doing ?

[guest29835]

Thanks QC so if Sheila grabbed the gun from the cupboard it would not have had the silencer on it.

Agreed. 

Of course, Jeremy I believe assumes that she just found the rifle and ammunition on the settee in the back corridor/scullery area, which if true means the silencer was already in the gun cupboard anyway.

[guest29835]

Now you're inventing your own narrative.

No, he isn't.  He's basing that conclusion on the logical deductions in my posts, and I agree with him.

[Adam]

Which route(s) did he take, there and back?

Roughly how long did it take him each way?

Did he use front and rear lights on the bike along this route that night?

What do you think he would have done had he come across somebody on the way back?

How did he slip out of Bourtree Cottage and Goldhanger unseen and return unseen?

Did he stage a call from Nevill or just make it up?  If he staged the call, what was the process and timings for this?

Why did he leave the bike at Bourtree Cottage for the police to find?

Lots of route options. He told Julie it would take around 15 minutes to cycle.

June's bike was brought to his cottage just before the massacre. He had no time to return it prior to the police & relatives arriving at his cottage.

[guest29835]

Bamber testified he left the rifle and bullets in the kitchen.

He left the rifle leaning against a settee in the back corridor/scullery area, not the main kitchen.  I think you are correct about the ammunition.

[guest29835]

Lots of route options. He told Julie it would take around 15 minutes to cycle.

June's bike was brought to his cottage just before the massacre. He had no time to return it prior to the police & relatives arriving at his cottage.

Well, perhaps you could tell us which route he took and answer my other questions.  The point of the exercise is to assess the plausibility of the plan.  Again, this is something we've discussed before at length and I satisfied myself that if Jeremy is guilty, he must have gone by foot.  He would have been crazy to use a bike, for all sorts of reasons I have enumerated exhaustively - though I suppose he must have been crazy to do such a thing anyway.

I recall the last time we discussed this, you stuck rigidly and robotically to the notion that he used the bike and you were immune to reason on the topic.  I believe this is because you know that there are serious issues with the whole case, which again I have exhaustively covered, to do with the timings and the phone call - all these points are linked together.

[Rob_]

Which route(s) did he take, there and back?

Roughly how long did it take him each way?

Did he use front and rear lights on the bike along this route that night?

What do you think he would have done had he come across somebody on the way back?

How did he slip out of Bourtree Cottage and Goldhanger unseen and return unseen?

Did he stage a call from Nevill or just make it up?  If he staged the call, what was the process and timings for this?

Why did he leave the bike at Bourtree Cottage for the police to find?

The most likely route was right past a holiday camp site I believe, someone would have seen him?

When Adam submits his revised scenario I hope all these points are addressed, and Bews running

[Steve_uk]

Which route(s) did he take, there and back?

Roughly how long did it take him each way?

Did he use front and rear lights on the bike along this route that night?

What do you think he would have done had he come across somebody on the way back?

How did he slip out of Bourtree Cottage and Goldhanger unseen and return unseen?

Did he stage a call from Nevill or just make it up?  If he staged the call, what was the process and timings for this?

Why did he leave the bike at Bourtree Cottage for the police to find?

You can see the possible routes and timings here: https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

He evidently used cover of darkness not to be seen.

He staged a call from Nevill by telephoning from White House Farm to his answerphone in Goldhanger, then rushed back to retrieve the tape.

It was Ann Eaton who discovered the bicycle on August 30. It was still caked in mud. What else could he do but leave it there..

[lookout]

Now I know the stupidity/ greed and over-zealousness of some people. Just been confirmed.

Just read that a motorist followed a tanker for miles only to find out it was carrying cement and not petrol !
Serves him right.
How can anyone mistake a cement wagon from a petrol tanker ? God help us !

[Adam]

The most likely route was right past a holiday camp site I believe, someone would have seen him?

When Adam submits his revised scenario I hope all these points are addressed, and Bews running

Have you got a source. Or is it another new narrative?

[guest29835]

You can see the possible routes and timings here: https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

He evidently used cover of darkness not to be seen.

He staged a call from Nevill by telephoning from White House Farm to his answerphone in Goldhanger, then rushed back to retrieve the tape.

It was Ann Eaton who discovered the bicycle on August 30. It was still caked in mud. What else could he do but leave it there..

I believe using a push bike would have been madness.  I've been over it before with Adam, but Adam sticks to generalities and never goes into specifics, hence my questions.  Whenever Adam is pinned down on the nitty-gritty of one of his scenarios, he flounders and denies he ever said the precise thing he said.