Louis Theroux

[Adam]

I have just read your scenario Adam was it 10 bullets in the magazine and 1 in the breach? Also I am curious about the escape through the kitchen window, I can't remember where I got this info but I believe that banging the window shut did not fully drop the handle down.

Hence why no photos head on of this window unless I have missed them?, a photo taken at a angle appears to show the handle not fully closed?

Eleven bullets. One in the breach I assume. Bamber would commence the massacre fully loaded.

The window latch dropped down sufficiently for the police to the class it as locked from inside. Which is possible to achieve by banging it from outside.

How are you getting on with your Sheila scenario?

[Rob_]

So 11 bullets.

The window latch dropped down sufficiently for the police to the class it as locked from inside. Which is possible to achieve by banging it from outside.

How are you getting on with your Sheila scenario?

I am working on it Adam, several officers checked the windows and the kitchen window was fully closed. There is a source somewhere where they could not get the window to fully close (handle right down) even banging it shut hard many times?

[Adam]

I am working on it Adam, several officers checked the windows and the kitchen window was fully closed. There is a source somewhere where they could not get the window to fully close (handle right down) even banging it shut hard many times?

Think the term was 'shut from inside'. Not surprising there was a window that could be banged shut in such a large house.

Bamber never asked to see proof of this in his police interviews. Do not believe the defence disputed it either. The CT have produced one photo disputing this, over 30 years later. Although I do not believe it is part of the CCRC referral.

Thank you for spending time producing a Sheila scenario.

[JackieD]

I think I have just read the Louis Theroux series is available already on sky and now

[lookout]

I am working on it Adam, several officers checked the windows and the kitchen window was fully closed. There is a source somewhere where they could not get the window to fully close (handle right down) even banging it shut hard many times?

AE's statement :
" Monday 26th of August 1985. I cannot recall what time it was but during daylight hours my father and I went to Whitehouse Farm. My father and I went into the house and checked the windows in the kitchen. I opened the fanlight window positioned above the kitchen unit which looks onto the back-yard.
I then went outside and closed the window after setting the catch first. The window on being closed, secured itself so that it couldn't be opened again from the outside. There would be sufficient room for a person to exit the farmhouse using this fanlight window space ".



This was all AE had said about the window, no mention of climbing through any window, only that it closed from the outside.

I doubt the handle would have dropped easily as the house/ windows had been painted days before leaving paint residue within the locking parts making it stiff and tacky.

[Adam]

AE's statement :
" Monday 26th of August 1985. I cannot recall what time it was but during daylight hours my father and I went to Whitehouse Farm. My father and I went into the house and checked the windows in the kitchen. I opened the fanlight window positioned above the kitchen unit which looks onto the back-yard.
I then went outside and closed the window after setting the catch first. The window on being closed, secured itself so that it couldn't be opened again from the outside. There would be sufficient room for a person to exit the farmhouse using this fanlight window space ".



This was all AE had said about the window, no mention of climbing through any window, only that it closed from the outside.

I doubt the handle would have dropped easily as the house/ windows had been painted days before leaving paint residue within the locking parts making it stiff and tacky.

''There would be sufficient room for a person to exit the farmhouse using this fanlight window space "

[Rob_]

AE's statement :
" Monday 26th of August 1985. I cannot recall what time it was but during daylight hours my father and I went to Whitehouse Farm. My father and I went into the house and checked the windows in the kitchen. I opened the fanlight window positioned above the kitchen unit which looks onto the back-yard.
I then went outside and closed the window after setting the catch first. The window on being closed, secured itself so that it couldn't be opened again from the outside. There would be sufficient room for a person to exit the farmhouse using this fanlight window space ".



This was all AE had said about the window, no mention of climbing through any window, only that it closed from the outside.

I doubt the handle would have dropped easily as the house/ windows had been painted days before leaving paint residue within the locking parts making it stiff and tacky.

Thanks Lookout, I need to get better at searching for information!

[Steve_uk]

Jones asked if he had entered the house via any windows recently. Jeremy nodded: "Kitchen windows, scullery windows, downstairs toilet window and sitting room window. In the last six months, I can't say how many times I've done it."

"Have you ever got in a window by putting something in between the window frames, like a knife to move the catch, so you could slide a window open?"

"Yes."

"Which window in the White House have you done that to?"

"Downstairs toilet and the lounge window."

Jones pulled out a photograph of the shower room. "You've been into that room by using a knife, moving the catch and then getting in at some time or another?"

"Yes," Jeremy said.

[Steve_uk]

Tuesday 10 September 1985

"Do you know of a way of getting in and out of the house other than by the door?"

"There are many ways to get into the house, ie., windows."

"What do you mean? Insecure windows?"

"Insecure windows, secure windows, it makes no difference."

[Steve_uk]

Those remaining fence-sitters may come to realize the import of the above dialogues. It is Jeremy Bamber covering himself for the heinous crimes, the acts of diablerie which pertained on those premises, that charnel house of death those wee hours of Wednesday 7 August 1985, not exculpation by any means, but nevertheless a deliberate attempt to obfuscate in the incipient realization that a criminal trial was close at hand.

[JackieD]

There was a complete weirdo in the documentary singing Mugfords praises

Defending the person who in her own words acted as badly as Maxine Carr

The other sick person in the documentary being Carol Ann Lee blaming Jeremy solely for the caravan robbery when Mugford had already committed several cheque frauds which made it pretty obvious the caravan robbery would have been Mugfords idea

[David1819]

There was a complete weirdo in the documentary singing Mugfords praises

Defending the person who in her own words acted as badly as Maxine Carr

The other sick person in the documentary being Carol Ann Lee blaming Jeremy solely for the caravan robbery when Mugford had already committed several cheque frauds which made it pretty obvious the caravan robbery would have been Mugfords idea

I skipped all the parts with Carol Ann Lee in.

[Adam]

Jones asked if he had entered the house via any windows recently. Jeremy nodded: "Kitchen windows, scullery windows, downstairs toilet window and sitting room window. In the last six months, I can't say how many times I've done it."

"Have you ever got in a window by putting something in between the window frames, like a knife to move the catch, so you could slide a window open?"

"Yes."

"Which window in the White House have you done that to?"

"Downstairs toilet and the lounge window."

Jones pulled out a photograph of the shower room. "You've been into that room by using a knife, moving the catch and then getting in at some time or another?"

"Yes," Jeremy said.

"I can't say how many times I've done it."

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Bit weird Bamber continually sneeking into WHF. June & Nevill (his parents) lived there & there was a constant stream of other people inside, BW, Jean Boutell.

He worked with Nevill or could have used a phone to arrange access.

I can only think he was rummaging around looking for cash. Exiting through the kitchen window & banging it shut.

[lookout]

"I can't say how many times I've done it."

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Bit weird Bamber continually sneeking into WHF. June & Nevill lived there & there was a constant stream of other people inside, BW, Jean Boutell.

He worked with Nevill or could have used a phone to arrange access.

I can only think he was rummaging around looking for cash. Exiting through the kitchen window & banging it shut.

" Rummaging around looking for cash ?". Then why didn't he take the wallet along with purses inside handbags plus the contents of the safe ? ( workers wages )

[Adam]

" Rummaging around looking for cash ?". Then why didn't he take the wallet along with purses inside handbags plus the contents of the safe ? ( workers wages )

He may have been hopeing Nevill left his safe open one day. Might be a tidy sum there. Didn't he read the wills after getting them from the WHF safe.

He must have had limited success with the WHF break ins. So robbed the caravan site.