Louis Theroux

[guest29835]

The CCRC asked him if he wanted to recant his confession. The case was then closed. So I guess so.


https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/story/2014-02-23/murderer-found-dead-in-prison/

Why would they need to ask him that if it was a properly-delivered, above-board confession?

Aside from that oddity, did he reply to the CCRC and say, "Yes, it was me.  I confess.  I am so sorry to have wasted time and resources and I regret the further distress caused to the family"?  Or did his solicitors reply on a similar basis, confirming the veracity of the confession?  Or was there no reply at all and the application was left to expire?

Now we're on the subject, just what did his solicitors say about this alleged confession?

On another note, why would he commit suicide?  He was almost out of prison.  His confession would not have affected this too much.  Something was troubling him.  A guilty conscience, perhaps?  Embarrassment?  But he was already caught and in prison, and he already had a guilty conscience, as a (supposedly) guilty man.  What had changed?

I am not convinced it was a true confession or that it changes anything.  But it seems it's enough for some people.  Michael Stone was convicted on the basis of a say-so confession, and even Jeremy's case is similar in that his conviction rests partly on a report of an oral confession to his then-girlfriend that no-one else witnessed.  The fact that people do lie about these confessions and the equally obvious fact that some people can and do give false confessions or jokily confess to things they haven't done seems not to figure in the minds of some.

For the police, his 'confession' was superfluous or redundant of course.  He was already convicted.

[Steve_uk]

Why would they need to ask him that if it was a properly-delivered, above-board confession?

Aside from that oddity, did he reply to the CCRC and say, "Yes, it was me.  I confess.  I am so sorry to have wasted time and resources and I regret the further distress caused to the family"?  Or did his solicitors reply on a similar basis, confirming the veracity of the confession?  Or was there no reply at all and the application was left to expire?

Now we're on the subject, just what did his solicitors say about this alleged confession?

On another note, why would he commit suicide?  He was almost out of prison.  His confession would not have affected this too much.  Something was troubling him.  A guilty conscience, perhaps?  Embarrassment?  But he was already caught and in prison, and he already had a guilty conscience, as a (supposedly) guilty man.  What had changed?

I am not convinced it was a true confession or that it changes anything.  But it seems it's enough for some people.  Michael Stone was convicted on the basis of a say-so confession, and even Jeremy's case is similar in that his conviction rests partly on a report of an oral confession to his then-girlfriend that no-one else witnessed.  The fact that people do lie about these confessions and the equally obvious fact that some people can and do give false confessions or jokily confess to things they haven't done seems not to figure in the minds of some.

For the police, his 'confession' was superfluous or redundant of course.  He was already convicted.

Could parts of this thread be merged with the thread below? To paraphrase another member this issue has been discussed ad nauseum. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7533.0.html

[ngb1066]

Why would they need to ask him that if it was a properly-delivered, above-board confession?

Aside from that oddity, did he reply to the CCRC and say, "Yes, it was me.  I confess.  I am so sorry to have wasted time and resources and I regret the further distress caused to the family"?  Or did his solicitors reply on a similar basis, confirming the veracity of the confession?  Or was there no reply at all and the application was left to expire?

Now we're on the subject, just what did his solicitors say about this alleged confession?

On another note, why would he commit suicide?  He was almost out of prison.  His confession would not have affected this too much.  Something was troubling him.  A guilty conscience, perhaps?  Embarrassment?  But he was already caught and in prison, and he already had a guilty conscience, as a (supposedly) guilty man.  What had changed?

I am not convinced it was a true confession or that it changes anything.  But it seems it's enough for some people.  Michael Stone was convicted on the basis of a say-so confession, and even Jeremy's case is similar in that his conviction rests partly on a report of an oral confession to his then-girlfriend that no-one else witnessed.  The fact that people do lie about these confessions and the equally obvious fact that some people can and do give false confessions or jokily confess to things they haven't done seems not to figure in the minds of some.

For the police, his 'confession' was superfluous or redundant of course.  He was already convicted.

He confirmed to the prison authorities, police and the CCRC that he was guilty and wanted to discontinue his appeal application.  He provided details about the circumstances of the crime.  He did have some serious mental health issues both before and after his confession.  Ultimately these problems led to his suicide.  He tried more than once.

There is no doubt that the confession was genuine.  I believe the years of lies weighed heavily on his mind.

 

[guest7363]

He confirmed to the prison authorities, police and the CCRC that he was guilty and wanted to discontinue his appeal application.  He provided details about the circumstances of the crime.  He did have some serious mental health issues both before and after his confession.  Ultimately these problems led to his suicide.  He tried more than once.

There is no doubt that the confession was genuine.  I believe the years of lies weighed heavily on his mind.

 

Within a day or two of the confession, Hall also replied to the CCRC (who had faxed the prison a legal document addressed to Hall). Hall met with the prison Governor who witnessed Hall signing the document. The document stated Hall wished the CCRC to stop all investigations in relations to his application as he had confessed to the crime. The CCRC document also asked if Hall wished his representative (Dr Michael Naughton) and wife to be sent copies, he said no.

[guest29835]

He confirmed to the prison authorities, police and the CCRC that he was guilty and wanted to discontinue his appeal application.  He provided details about the circumstances of the crime.  He did have some serious mental health issues both before and after his confession.  Ultimately these problems led to his suicide.  He tried more than once.

There is no doubt that the confession was genuine.  I believe the years of lies weighed heavily on his mind.

For a number of reasons that I won't go into here any further, I disagree and remain sceptical.  But it's for another thread.

[guest29835]

JaneJ was a supporter before CTSB. She did not like Julie's court outfit. JaneJ later became a guilter.

Lookout and JackieD are the lady supporters left. Lookout because Jeremy sends her Christmas cards. JackieD because Julie identified the twins.

I think Adam is the trail-blazer of the Forum, putting the hours in, doing the research, setting the tone and controlling the pace, while other more mediocre posters look on in awe.

[Adam]

Doesn’t Trudes get involved at all now?  Has she gone into the Patisserie business?

Her weekly vlogs stopped. Probably on the instruction of Bamber. They were doing more harm than good & the Red Forum always looked forward to them.

She stepped down from her role as a director. 

I suspect she is now a guilter. As has gone from very pro active to nothing.

[guest7363]

Her weekly vlogs stopped. Probably on the instruction of Bambet. They were doing more harm than good & the Red Forum always looked forward to them.

She stepped down from her role as CT secretary.

Oh thanks Adam, isn’t she still active though in the Campaign?  I do think she made some odd decisions though with the baking of the cake and the Graveside visit?

[Adam]

Oh thanks Adam, isn’t she still active though in the Campaign?  I do think she made some odd decisions though with the baking of the cake and the Graveside visit?

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/trudi-benjamin?fbclid=IwAR2eAXXi5F35m6hKkqUCVQ3neZmbNzkXDkMQO8nLIlYglM0QLyMGyMjt5ZU

Just says she stepped down 'for pastures new'.

Can't find anything from her since this, which was over a year ago.

[Adam]

Her reasons for believing Bamber is innocent all have simple explanations. She probably finally realised this.

I believe she has an account on here. Hopefully she can give an update.

[Adam]

Trudies 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent' article is no longer online.

[guest7363]

Trudies 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent' article is no longer online.

Wonder if she no longer supports him, strange to all of a sudden be the most active supporter to then disappear?

[Roch]

Wonder if she no longer supports him, strange to all of a sudden be the most active supporter to then disappear?

Didn't she study and obtain a law qual while in her role? I expect pastures new was probably that it was time to explore progression and give somebody else a crack at the JB challenge. From what I understand, the CT is a bit thinner in personnel than it was. Also to be considered, these people are volunteers.

[guest7363]

Didn't she study and obtain a law qual while in her role? I expect pastures new was probably that it was time to explore progression and give somebody else a crack at the JB challenge. From what I understand, the CT is a bit thinner in personnel than it was. Also to be considered, these people are volunteers.

Cheers Roch, I just thought it was funny to be the spokesperson and to then do nothing?  I did seem to recall she went studying, but if your so passionate about something like this, I would have thought she could still find time? 

[lookout]

Trudie still supports JB.