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Offline ngb1066

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2021, 11:09:AM »
How do you know this? Being arrested and interviewed under caution are two separate things anyway: if you're arrested don't the police have a time limit in which to charge you, but interviewed under caution means you are free to leave the interview at any time and may have access to legal advice?

I gained some details about the case, which as far as I know have not yet been made public, during the period in 2011 and 2012 in which I did have some direct involvement in legal work on behalf of JB.  There are time limits following arrest although these can be extended and in this case following intensive interviews JM was no longer treated as under arrest and in police custody but as a prosecution witness.  It is documents which detail this history which remain withheld under PII.  If disclosed I suspect they would prove very embarrassing to the prosecution.

 

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2021, 11:21:AM »
So she never actually went to the police voluntarily?

No she did not.  Because of what she had said to friends she was coming under pressure to talk to police and she was in an increasingly difficult position.  She knew the police were being contacted and even if she was not happy about that (which I suspect) there was in reality nothing she could do about it.  Events then overtook her.

 

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2021, 11:57:AM »
My thoughts too NGB.

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2021, 12:05:PM »
I'm sure there are many people who've been visibly furious over something that's happened to them, then wishing the worst on a person and instead of accepting that let-downs do happen they start a hate-fest about the person who upset them and as in this case it blew up into her face, in other words JM bit off more than she could chew because of her fury and spite.
This has been my thought from day one. No need for all the rigmarole over the years when you study the minds of individuals. 

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2021, 12:56:PM »
How do you know this? Being arrested and interviewed under caution are two separate things anyway: if you're arrested don't the police have a time limit in which to charge you, but interviewed under caution means you are free to leave the interview at any time and may have access to legal advice?

There is a formal procedure for a voluntary interviewee who is not under an arrest in which the interview is under caution, but it is also the case that when an arrestee is interviewed, that is under caution (and the caution will normally be re-read to the arrestee at the outset of the interview). 

Normally when people say 'interview under caution' or 'interviewed under caution', they mean a voluntary interview.  NGB1066 did not exactly use that phrase, if you look at his post.  It looks like he was referring to the generic idea of somebody interviewed following arrest, but it is possible that the information NGB1066 has been given is wrong and in fact Julie was not arrested.

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2021, 01:02:PM »
No she did not.  Because of what she had said to friends she was coming under pressure to talk to police and she was in an increasingly difficult position.  She knew the police were being contacted and even if she was not happy about that (which I suspect) there was in reality nothing she could do about it.  Events then overtook her.

 

Julie was gearing up to approach the police. By confiding to 5 friends first.

She would not have confided to anyone if she was planning to keep quiet.

Friends were obviously going to encourage her to tell the police.

Julie then agreed Liz should ring up Stan Jones.

« Last Edit: September 08, 2021, 01:05:PM by Adam »
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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2021, 01:19:PM »
Julie was gearing up to approach the police. By confiding to 5 friends first.


Malicious gossip in Lewisham Pizzahut after JB split up with her.

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2021, 01:23:PM »
The police would have told Julie straight away how serious not telling the truth & wasting police time is.

Simultaneously they would have told her Bamber was a suspect & it was better to tell the truth now rather than risk being charged with 'perverting the course of justice'.

Julie then compiled a 32 page WS.

« Last Edit: September 08, 2021, 01:24:PM by Adam »
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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2021, 01:29:PM »
The police would have told Julie straight away how serious not telling the truth & wasting police time is.

Simultaneously they would have told her Bamber was a suspect & it was better to tell the truth now rather than risk being charged with 'perverting the course of justice'.

Julie then compiled a 32 page WS.

This is probably standard practice when a witness comes forward a month after a crime.

Letting the witness know the situation with the investigation & informing the witness how serious wasting police time is 
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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2021, 02:29:PM »
Malicious gossip in Lewisham Pizzahut after JB split up with her.

Spot on

Due to JB sleeping around
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2021, 02:31:PM »
The police would have told Julie straight away how serious not telling the truth & wasting police time is.

Simultaneously they would have told her Bamber was a suspect & it was better to tell the truth now rather than risk being charged with 'perverting the course of justice'.

Julie then compiled a 32 page WS.


Your posts are pathetic as you have no idea what went on in the interview room
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2021, 02:33:PM »
This is probably standard practice when a witness comes forward a month after a crime.

Letting the witness know the situation with the investigation & informing the witness how serious wasting police time is


Probably. Your posts are the worse I have ever seen on a forum

Get a life Adam and give us all a break
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2021, 02:46:PM »

Your posts are pathetic as you have no idea what went on in the interview room

You believe Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the twins.

You ignore the evidence. 

You really are 'Mad'.
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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2021, 02:47:PM »

Your posts are pathetic as you have no idea what went on in the interview room

Why is Bamber innocent?

Oh yes. Julie identified the twins.
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Re: Police only option to get Julie to commit massive perjury:
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2021, 02:49:PM »
Spot on

Due to JB sleeping around

Julie told 5 people prior to approaching the police.

Keep up.
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