US / UK foreign policy - yet another embarrassment

[Roch]

In other words you don't want to answer the question.

The parents of the bombers don't deny what happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhHcyVo3Kuc

It's you who tried to broaden the scope of our argument, to try and deflect.

That's one parent. What is the name of the victim and what is the date of the video. The boy in question I believe was a gentle giant, who nobody who knew him believed was involved. 

[David1819]

It's you who tried to broaden the scope of our argument, to try and deflect.

That's one parent. What is the name of the victim and what is the date of the video. The boy in question I believe was a gentle giant, who nobody who knew him believed was involved.

How do you explain this footage of one of the bombers along with the Alqeda second in command taking responsibility for the attack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHXLaio8G3I

[Roch]

How do you explain this footage of one of the bombers along with the Alqeda second in command taking responsibility for the attack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHXLaio8G3I

Wow, you've been doing your research and you've stumbled across MSK's video. I can't read or understand the language of the alleged terror chief, so can't comment on whether or not he states what is claimed or whether he is referring to the specific incident of 7/7. However, if he was made to believe such an incident would take place, then you could understand why he would want to jump on the bandwaggon and put the terror group's stamp on it. If I remember correctly MSK disappeared prior to the main event. The CCTV footage of him is the alleged 'trial run' - But I would have to check this to be certain. I am at work. 

What I suggest you do before you ask any further questions, is to read the academic's paper that I posted up, regarding Canary Wharf.

[David1819]

Wow, you've been doing your research and you've stumbled across MSK's video. I can't read or understand the language of the alleged terror chief, so can't comment on whether or not he states what is claimed or whether he is referring to the specific incident of 7/7. 

But you can understand what the guy is saying in English right?   

[Roch]

But you can understand what the guy is saying in English right? 

I didn't pay much attention to it as I don't have time. Everyone who claims that the official version of events isn't correct, is already aware of MSK's video. It's not new. It was around at the time.

[David1819]

I didn't pay much attention to it as I don't have time. Everyone who claims that the official version of events isn't correct, is already aware of MSK's video. It's not new. It was around at the time.

That's why they are called conspiratards.

Anyway, Alqeda released a video on 7/7/06 exactly a year to the day after the attacks.

"On or about July 7, 2006, GADAHN appeared in an al-Qaeda video (“the July 2006 video”) broadcast in the United States and elsewhere, giving aid and comfort to al-Qaeda. The July 2006 video also contained statements by Usama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and Shehzad Tanweer. In the July 2006 video, GADAHN referred to the recent capture and execution of two American servicemen in Iraq"

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/legacy/2006/10/11/adam_indictment.pdf

According to Wiki -

"One year after the train bombings in London Ayman al-Zawahiri reveals that two of the suicide bombers were trained by al-Qaeda in Pakistan."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Ayman_al-Zawahiri#July_7,_2006

It would be interesting to obtain that video.

[Roch]

That's why they are called conspiratards.

Anyway, Alqeda released a video on 7/7/06 exactly a year to the day after the attacks.

"On or about July 7, 2006, GADAHN appeared in an al-Qaeda video (“the July 2006 video”) broadcast in the United States and elsewhere, giving aid and comfort to al-Qaeda. The July 2006 video also contained statements by Usama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and Shehzad Tanweer. In the July 2006 video, GADAHN referred to the recent capture and execution of two American servicemen in Iraq"

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/legacy/2006/10/11/adam_indictment.pdf

According to Wiki -

"One year after the train bombings in London Ayman al-Zawahiri reveals that two of the suicide bombers were trained by al-Qaeda in Pakistan."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Ayman_al-Zawahiri#July_7,_2006

It would be interesting to obtain that video.

Referring to victims' families as 'conspiritards' isn't very respectful.

You really need to drop this good guys bad guys mentality David.

USA good guys. Afghanistan and Iraq bad guys.

Official state versions reliable. Anyone who questions this conspiritards.

Israel good guys. Surrounding Arab states bad guys.

[David1819]

The official July 7th Al-Qeada video can be found in the link below. All 17 minutes complete with a transcript.

https://www.memri.org/tv/al-qaeda-film-first-anniversary-london-bombings-features-messages-bomber-shehzad-tanweer-american

[Roch]

The official July 7th Al-Qeada video can be found in the link below. All 17 minutes complete with a transcript.

https://www.memri.org/tv/al-qaeda-film-first-anniversary-london-bombings-features-messages-bomber-shehzad-tanweer-american

It's good to know there is an official Al Qaeda video. I'm not a member so can't access it. Neither would I know how to check the veracity of it.

[David1819]

Here is a Transcript of the 7/7 Al-Qaeda video. Ayman Al-Zawahiri does indeed confirm two of the four 7/7 bombers were trained by Al-Qaeda.

https://www.memri.org/reports/american-al-qaeda-operative-adam-gadahn-al-qaeda-deputy-al-zawahiri-and-london-bomber


Ayman Al-Zawahiri: "What made Shehzad join the camps of Qaeda Al-Jihad was the oppression carried out by the British in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine. He would often talk about Palestine, about the British support of the Jews, and about their clear injustice against the Muslims."

"In order to remove this injustice, Shehzad began training with all his might and devotion. Together with the martyr Siddiq Khan, he received practical and intensive training in how to produce and use explosives, in the camps of Qaeda Al-Jihad. The recruits who join these camps do not have to achieve high averages or to pass entrance exams. All they need is to be zealous for their religion and nation, and to love Jihad and martyrdom for the sake of Allah."

"The knights of London continued to train and plan the operation. They determined the targets with precision. The names of the station that were targeted have significance, both symbolically and in terms of morale, for the Crusader West. When the training and preparations were completed, the knights left for the scene of the operations."

"The operation was carried out, with the grace of Allah, and the knights of the London raid made a volcano of Islamic rage erupt in the heart of the capital of the cross. Some began to doubt the ability of the mujahideen to carry out such a great act. But those people have pretended to forget the words of Allah: 'How many times has a small group overcome a large group, with the help of Allah. Allah is with those who persevere.' The mujahideen received the news about the raid with jubilant cries of 'Allah Akbar' and by bowing to Allah in gratitude."

[Roch]

Here is a Transcript of the 7/7 Al-Qaeda video. Ayman Al-Zawahiri does indeed confirm two of the four 7/7 bombers were trained by Al-Qaeda.

https://www.memri.org/reports/american-al-qaeda-operative-adam-gadahn-al-qaeda-deputy-al-zawahiri-and-london-bomber


Ayman Al-Zawahiri: "What made Shehzad join the camps of Qaeda Al-Jihad was the oppression carried out by the British in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine. He would often talk about Palestine, about the British support of the Jews, and about their clear injustice against the Muslims."

"In order to remove this injustice, Shehzad began training with all his might and devotion. Together with the martyr Siddiq Khan, he received practical and intensive training in how to produce and use explosives, in the camps of Qaeda Al-Jihad. The recruits who join these camps do not have to achieve high averages or to pass entrance exams. All they need is to be zealous for their religion and nation, and to love Jihad and martyrdom for the sake of Allah."

"The knights of London continued to train and plan the operation. They determined the targets with precision. The names of the station that were targeted have significance, both symbolically and in terms of morale, for the Crusader West. When the training and preparations were completed, the knights left for the scene of the operations."

"The operation was carried out, with the grace of Allah, and the knights of the London raid made a volcano of Islamic rage erupt in the heart of the capital of the cross. Some began to doubt the ability of the mujahideen to carry out such a great act. But those people have pretended to forget the words of Allah: 'How many times has a small group overcome a large group, with the help of Allah. Allah is with those who persevere.' The mujahideen received the news about the raid with jubilant cries of 'Allah Akbar' and by bowing to Allah in gratitude."

How do you check the veracity of something like this? All of this already known. Which means it was not sufficient to deter the victims' families and others, from campaigning for an independent enquiry. Have you worked out the probability question yet?

[David1819]

How do you check the veracity of something like this?

If it means that much to you, download the video and get someone who understands Arabic to tell you want they are saying.

All of this already known. Which means it was not sufficient to deter the victims' families and others, from campaigning for an independent enquiry.

From what I can gather the victims families "called for an independent public inquiry to examine, in particular, the question of whether the attacks could have been prevented". Not because they had crazy ideas about a government conspiracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/01/7-july-bombings-public-inquiry

Have you worked out the probability question yet?

What is the probability of two members of Al-Queda leaving their homes full of chemicals used to make homemade bombs, boarding two different trains on the same day and they both explode at the same time? And somehow not be involved? Id say zero chance.

[Roch]

If it means that much to you, download the video and get someone who understands Arabic to tell you want they are saying.


From what I can gather the victims families "called for an independent public inquiry to examine, in particular, the question of whether the attacks could have been prevented". Not because they had crazy ideas about a government conspiracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/01/7-july-bombings-public-inquiry

What is the probability of two members of Al-Queda leaving their homes full of chemicals used to make homemade bombs, boarding two different trains on the same day and they both explode at the same time? And somehow not be involved? Id say zero chance.

The victims' families are well aware of holes in the anonymous official version of events. They refused to subscribe to an alternative version of events, especially any that contained supposition and conjecture, because in their view, such an alternative theory would draw attention away from the anomalies present in the official version.

Your probability question is about to get even worse. In the meantime, before you go looking for more 'Al Qaeda' videos, I suggest you at least take the time to read the paper I posted up.  That is, if you have time to do so.

[David1819]

The victims' families are well aware of holes in the anonymous official version of events. They refused to subscribe to an alternative version of events, especially any that contained supposition and conjecture, because in their view, such an alternative theory would draw attention away from the anomalies present in the official version.

Your probability question is about to get even worse. In the meantime, before you go looking for more 'Al Qaeda' videos, I suggest you at least take the time to read the paper I posted up.  That is, if you have time to do so.

I very quickly skimmed that paper to see what he had to say about Peter Power. The author has failed to mention his client was Reed Elsevier. And simply refers to RE as "client" this was after Peter had disclosed that it was Reed Elsevier. If the author has not bothered to do simple research I shall not be wasting more time on it.

The fact you knew about MSKs video and never brought it up to explain how it does not fit the "official version" is all the proof that you simply cannot. You just hoped I wouldn't find it.

You have made several assertions of "anomalies present" that are off base, and some that are just plain wrong or meaningless. And every time you are called out on one you simply move on to another. It is obvious that you aren't interested in the truth.

[Roch]

I very quickly skimmed that paper to see what he had to say about Peter Power. The author has failed to mention his client was Reed Elsevier. And simply refers to RE as "client" this was after Peter had disclosed that it was Reed Elsevier. If the author has not bothered to do simple research I shall not be wasting more time on it.

The fact you knew about MSKs video and never brought it up to explain how it does not fit the "official version" is all the proof that you simply cannot. You just hoped I wouldn't find it.

You have made several assertions of "anomalies present" that are off base, and some that are just plain wrong or meaningless. And every time you are called out on one you simply move on to another. It is obvious that you aren't interested in the truth.

That is a truly pathetic response. I hope everyone is reading this. 

What is the time difference between Power disclosing the client and Duff's paper being published?

You do realise that for one year, the anonymous official version of events had the alleged bombers getting on a train to London that was actually cancelled and therefore never existed!  So if you're going to dismiss Duff's entire paper for failing to label Power's client, where does that leave the official version of events for one of the biggest loss of life on UK soil?  It's not like they did due diligence on the trains 😂