THE SILENCER SAGA

[lookout]

The same one who rinsed Sheila's knickers , David. Weirdo !

[killingeve]

Can I suggest they wanted to see if it was June's blood on the lamp shade.

What evidence exists that tests were undertaken in an attempt to determine whether a stain on a lampshade originated from biological matter associated with Mrs Bamber?  How would they determine such when a sample didn't exist for comparison? 

I have also read attempts were made to recover from floorboards but the same applies to this as above.

[killingeve]

I would assume its far more safe and sound to obtain fresh DNA from a sibling, as opposed to something that's been sitting around for 16 years with no storage protocols (contrary to the silencer.)

Who on earth keeps a lampshade on their bedside table that has their murdered relatives blood on it from the night they were killed? 

What evidence exists that tests were undertaken in an attempt to determine whether a stain on a lampshade originated from biological matter associated with Mrs Bamber?  How would they determine such when a sample didn't exist for comparison? 

I have also read attempts were made to recover from floorboards but the same applies to this as above.

490. Samples obtained from Sheila Caffell's natural mother and from other sources enabled the scientists to say with confidence that the major component did not come from Sheila Caffell. Because the blood sample of June Bamber no longer exists, it has not been possible to do a direct comparison between her DNA and that of the major component. However, it has been possible to obtain a sample from June Bamber's sister, Pamela Boutflour, which because closely related relatives are statistically more likely to have shared components than unrelated individuals, has enabled conclusions to be drawn. That evidence shows that it is about 3,500 times more likely that the major source of DNA was from a full sister of Pamela Boutflour, i.e. June Bamber, compared to it being from an unrelated female. Both Mr Clayton and Miss Tomlinson, the DNA experts from whom we have heard, assessed this as strong evidenced that the major component therefore comes from June Bamber.

491. A part of this ground of appeal relates to the destruction of June Bamber's blood sample. It is not suggested that that can be used as a free standing ground of appeal but it is combined with the DNA evidence to suggest that the appellant may have been deprived of the chance of advancing even stronger evidence that the DNA was from June Bamber. On the evidence of the two scientists, we would feel that the only safe course for us to take is to conclude that the major component of the DNA on the baffles did originate from June Bamber. When we made clear to Mr Turner that this would be our approach and queried whether in such circumstances the destruction of the samples from June Bamber could be said to prejudice the appellant, Mr Turner recognised the force in the point and after taking specific instructions from the appellant decided not to pursue that aspect further. We have therefore not considered the circumstances in which the blood samples were destroyed since they have no bearing upon any other aspect of this case.

[killingeve]

The same one who rinsed Sheila's knickers , David. Weirdo !

What would you expect her to do with the clothing in buckets of water? 

[David1819]

The same one who rinsed Sheila's knickers , David. Weirdo !

I suspect she may not have done that (despite claiming she did). If she did contaminate the silencer with blood from those kickers. Then she will understandably say things to make it seem like she couldn't have done.

[killingeve]

I suspect she may not have done that (despite claiming she did). If she did contaminate the silencer with blood from those kickers. Then she will understandably say things to make it seem like she couldn't have done.

What would you expect her to do with clothing found in buckets of water? 

Regardless of what she said or didn't say, did or didn't do, science proves 100% that it would have been impossible to contaminate the silencer with a pair of menstrual stained knickers soaking in a bucket of water where the ratio would be something like 1: 1,000,000. 

[lookout]

Wouldn't a normal person drain the buckets of the water then bag up the contents to put in the bin ?

[lookout]

This was after a murder, not just an unfortunate accident.

[David1819]

Wouldn't a normal person drain the buckets of the water then bag up the contents to put in the bin ?

According to AE, she did put them in the bin at WHF and that is what she told the jury. However in 1991 she admitted to COLP that she took the bin home with her(along with the silencer). Thus she lied to the Jury by omission, she didn't want the Jury to know that part. That raises yet another reason to be suspicious.

[killingeve]

Wouldn't a normal person drain the buckets of the water then bag up the contents to put in the bin ?

And according to Mrs Eaton she did exactly that.

[Jane]

And according to Mrs Eaton she did exactly that.

It's strange how words, so often read, suddenly take on different meanings, ie Ann's description of Sheila's knickers, hardly relates to the haemorrhagic flow we've previously been encouraged to believe it was, or uterine contents resembling a large lump of liver, pictures of which have found their way onto the forum. Indeed, there seems to have been nothing untoward about this usual monthly occurrence.

[Adam]

I suspect she may not have done that (despite claiming she did). If she did contaminate the silencer with blood from those kickers. Then she will understandably say things to make it seem like she couldn't have done.

You have never said how. Despite making the claim years ago.

How was AE supposed to have the idea & find out in hours?

[lookout]

What would you expect her to do with the clothing in buckets of water?

Drain the water off and dump the contents, what else ?

[David1819]

You have never said how. Despite making the claim years ago.

Yes, I have said how. NGB also has the same model silencer and explained how.

How was AE supposed to have the idea & find out in hours?

I have already demonstrated this in the sequence of events that took place.

This is a woman who meticulously noted down dozens of pages of information and proactively probed the police from day one. She was also feigning sympathy for Jeremy by stroking his arms when she was actually looking for signs of cuts and bruises on him. This is someone with the savviness and sociopathy to do such a thing.

[killingeve]

Yes, I have said how. NGB also has the same model silencer and explained how.

I have already demonstrated this in the sequence of events that took place.

This is a woman who meticulously noted down dozens of pages of information and proactively probed the police from day one. She was also feigning sympathy for Jeremy by stroking his arms when she was actually looking for signs of cuts and bruises on him. This is someone with the savviness and sociopathy to do such a thing.

NGB1066 explained how diluted period blood with a ratio of about 1:1,000,000 could have contaminated the silencer