THE SILENCER SAGA

[Roch]

But 'non disclosure' from her.

No authorities are asking for disclosure from her. Or, you could say that she has disclosed to the CCRC on this?  Comparing non-disclosure from Essex Constabulary and the CPS to non-disclosure from the CT is a facile argument.

[Roch]

I think my compatriots in the North Riding should give some of the West Riding back.  Or there may be a Yorkie civil war.

I'm currently employed within what was the most northern part of the north riding. I think it is anyway.

[Roch]

I'm currently employed within what was the most northern part of the north riding. I think it is anyway.

I was wrong. But not far off the most north eastern part of the north riding.

[lookout]

The marks on Mr Bamber's back might be completely irrelevant to the murders.  According to Yvonne she has got to the bottom of them.

That would figure.

[lookout]

That would figure.

As I've always maintained that there'd been a bit of a " set-to " prior to the night of the murders, i.e. June's black-eye, Sheila's lower abdominal wound and Nevill's back injuries.

[Adam]

Does not make much difference what caused the burn marks.

Bamber's 2012 CCRC submission says it was caused by the rifle without silencer attached. It seems that Yvonne disagrees but refuses to disclose her apparent findings. 

Either way Bamber had to take the silencer off after shooting Sheila.

[Adam]

Bamber lifting Nevill onto a coal scuttle was done for a reason.

It gave him easy access to Nevill's back, where the burn marks are.

So until Yvonne Hartley provides a comprehensive alternative, it has to be agreed Bamber inflicted the burn marks on the night.

[Adam]

It would be good to know whether Yvonne Hartley believes the burn marks were caused on the massacre night. If not then why did Bamber lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle?

If the burn marks were inflicted on the massacre night, but not done with the rifle, it just highlights why Nevill was lifted onto the coal scuttle.

[lookout]

Nobody lifted anyone onto the coal scuttle 

[Adam]

Nobody lifted anyone onto the coal scuttle 

Bamber lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle. Sheila would not be strong enough.

The only explanation is Bamber wanted to burn Nevill's back.

Bamber agrees with this, saying in 2012 the burn marks were caused on the massacre night. Minus silencer.

[killingeve]

It makes you wonder...

At the 1986 trial the defence pathologist states in his opinion the marks on Mr Bamber's back were not burns.  Fast forward 26 years to 2012 and a burns expert not only concludes the marks were burns but he goes further and states they were caused by the barrel of the rifle and not the silencer    In fairness to the burns expert I believe he did say more tests were required to be absolute!

[Adam]

Can't think what else they can be.

They are not bruises as they would cover a bigger surface area.

Bamber agrees they are burn marks, caused minus the silencer. Either by the rifle barrel or another available item. I agree!

[mike tesko]

I would like to reiterate, that two silencers lie at the heart of the investigation

One [belonging to Anthony Pargeter] parker hale silencer, 7 inches in length, containing 17 metal cup shaped baffle plates, purchased in the period of 1980 and the 31st October 1984.

 From the 1st of November 1984, the product manufacture [`Parker Hale Silencer Ltd'] replaced the outdated unit (old type silencer) with its latest upgraded version (new streamlined silencer model) which was only 6 and a half inches in length, and which only had 14 cup shaped internal ('metal') baffle plates [belonging to Neville Bamber]

[Bubo bubo]

Some posters have suggested that SBJ revisited WHF when he left JB's cottage at 11.35am and that he collected a silencer. Do we have evidence by way of testimony or statements to back this up?

RC claims that he thought that SBJ had found the SM and this is why he labelled it SBJ1 in the first instance. This must be false because if it was to be an exhibit it would need to be collected to SOC protocol. 
That is photographed in situ bagged and labelled. In which case it would be obvious who's find it was. As head of the SOCO team he must have known this>

[David1819]

Some posters have suggested that SBJ revisited WHF when he left JB's cottage at 11.35am and that he collected a silencer. Do we have evidence by way of testimony or statements to back this up?

No