THE SILENCER SAGA

[guest29835]

Which day?

This is why Cambridgecutie has been brought on to the Forum, to help Adam chivvy things up.  There's been too much slacking at the back, if you ask me.

[lookout]

 

[guest29835]

It's not funny, Lookout.  We want discipline here!

I caught Rob lounging around on his sunbed the other day, trying to get a winter tan, while Adam is busy on the Forum doing all the legwork and breaking new ground with his scenarios. 

[mike tesko]

i have put together some of my ideas, thoughts, views on the Sound Moderator.

All ideas, are welcome, no matter how utterly ridiculous our opinions might be - the way I see it, 'the more outrageous someone's script' or 'theory', the sooner 'this' or' that'  can 'be eliminated' from 'other prosperous lines of enquiry'. I am pleased to inform everyone, that 'the silencer debacle' has now been resolved fully. This came about through various members in our group postulating different ideas about 'this' , 'that' , or 'the other silencer'. I am as guilty as the next person in respect of `guilding the lilly`, so to speak [on the odd occasion] by putting forth information that I simply had no proof or evidence to back up the silencer theory' I sometimes postulated. However, I always beleived that 'other members might contribute to the silencer saga' by 'giving us their own ideas' on the subject. By this approach on my part, 'I have now finally got to the absolute truth' , about 'who found' , 'seized' or 'took possession' of 'any silencer' or 'flake of dried blood' or as the case may be, a blob of jamlike substance that 'David Boutflour' with 'aid of a razor blade', 'scraped from the outer casing of the silencer' that 'he found at the scene' , on 'the 10th August 1985', or 'other item of evidential value' from the 'crime scene' [on 'different occasions'
, involving 'different people']. There were 'several silencer props' used in the investigation of these shootings, at various points and stages. But, there are only 'two chief silencers' at 'the heart of the case'. I can name both of them now because 'the jiggery', 'pokery' 'slight of hand tactics' , has now been undone! The' two parker Hale silencers' were 'almost identical looking' in every sense of the word', except for the following conditions (a) one of the silencers was almost 'five years older' than 'the other one' (b) one of them had been purchased in 1980, (c) whilst the other one 'wasn't purchased by its owner', until 'the 30th November 1984'. (d) one of the silencers [the oldest one] 'looked worn' and had an elongated scratch mark along the edge of its metal outer casing (e) it also had a grey coloured hair attached to its muzzle end cap, which was stuck to a jam-like 'sticky' blod close to the bullet aperture on that silencers metal end cap, (f) whilst the other silencer was undamaged, and in an 'almost prestige condition'.(g) 'One' of 'these two silencers' measured 'seven inches in length', whilst (h) the 'other silencer' measured six' and 'a half inches', 'in length'. (i) the reason why one of these two different similar looking parker hale silencer, was because at the commencement of 'November 1984', the manufacturer [ Parker Hale Silencer, Ltd] altered the internal design features of the product in question, (j) the '1980 version of the model silencer' was 'manufactured containing a total of 17 internalised metal baffle plates' (k) whilst its 'November 1984' model, olly had a total of 14 manufactured internalised metal baffle plates. (l) Hence 'the difference in length' of  'half an inch' [the difference of length, between both, being about 'the depth of three metal baffle plates', inside 'one of the silencers' (m) or, as the case may be, the fact that the other silencer had 'three less metal baffle plates' to 'house inside' its  'metalic outer casing', (n) 'One of these two silencers' belonged to 'Anthony Pargeter', (o) the 'other silencer' belonged to 'Neville Bamber', (p) 'one of these silencers' was designed to have 'the shoulders of each metal baffle plate' 'facing inward' , from 'the muzzle end' of the design 'pointing inwards' toward the 'bottom end of the silencer' (q) whilst 'effectively','facing outwards', 'the other silencer', 'housed the shoulders' of the 'cup shape baffle plates facing inwards',(r) ' effectively facing away from ' the muzzle end of the silencer', at 'the top end' of 'that silencer', (s) the 'internal metal baffle plates','belonging to either silencer', are 'produced using 'universal measurement', (t) as 'a result of which', it may have been possible to 'switch baffle plates, from one of these silencers','into the other silencer' so that 'it could be made to look like one of the two silencers' had been fitted to the barrel of a rifle which was found 'no traces of blood' and 'human tissue'. In an 'instant reversing the roles' of 'the two rifles belonging' to 'each of the two unique silencers'. However,  'in order' to be 'able to pull the deception off', one of the rifles would need to be removed from 'any police enquiry', or 'investigation', so that 'the condition of its barrel', could 'not be checked' for 'the lack' or 'proof of it being contaminated' or 'for want' of 'a better phrase' with 'the blood of a victim', or 'as the case may well be', the 'presence',[or `for that matter`] 'a complete absence' of 'human tissue', 'lining one' or 'other' of 'the two rifle barrels, ..

[mike tesko]

There was 'only two key silencers at play' in 'this miscarriage of justice debacle'  these are, to 'cut to the chase' a 17 baffled parker hale silencer belonging to the 'Pargeter rifle' that 'he had purchased' in '1980'. The other 'similar parker hale silencer' [a 'half inch shorter 'in length' than 'the other', '14 baffled parker hale silencer'] was 'purchased' in 'November 1984' by 'Neville Bamber'.

'One' of 'these two silencers' was 'almost certainly used' during 'the course' of 'the shooting of family member' fitted to 'the end of the barrel of either one' of [them] the 'Pargeter rifle' , or the' Bamber rifle', and yet 'it may still be possible', despite 'some 36 years already having elapsed" to 'confirm' to 'which rifle' a 'silencer' was 'attached to', or 'not', and 'the identity of the gun man'...

[Rob_]

Bamber probably said 'by' or 'next to' the bed. Julie remembered it as 'on'.

Or Bamber did say 'on' in error.

Very minor detail considering Julie's WS was 24 pages & gave so much information.

Although the phrase 'on the bed' does appear in someone else's WS Adam as I am sure you know, it's not minor to me. It's a good job Cc is here to help you out Adam 

[Adam]

Although the phrase 'on the bed' does appear in someone else's WS Adam as I am sure you know, it's not minor to me. It's a good job Cc is here to help you out Adam 

Feel free to make it a big thing.

The information in Julie's WS she could only have got from Bamber.

[David1819]

Feel free to make it a big thing.

The information in Julie's WS she could only have got from Bamber.

How can she only have got information from Bamber that was also known to Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour and the police?

[David1819]

Although the phrase 'on the bed' does appear in someone else's WS Adam as I am sure you know, it's not minor to me. It's a good job Cc is here to help you out Adam 

The bible on Sheila's chest is in Ann Eaton notes and RWBs diary also.

[Adam]

How can she only have got information from Bamber that was also known to Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour and the police?

As said yesterday -

The relatives would not engage with Bamber's girlfriend.

The police would not tell her to include these in her WS. Then tell her to introduce MM.

[mike tesko]

I pose the following dilemna, in the hope of being successful in determing which rifle was fitted with one of these two silencers at the time that the fatal contact shot killed off 'Sheila Caffell' on 'the bed in the main bedroom', and why did whoever shot her and killed her on tge bed, went to all the trouble of lifting her body off the top of the bed, and placing her in the recovery positition on the bedroom floor, after which her body was rolled back into the suppine position in close proximity to the edge of the main bed, and the light coloured bedside cabinet. It must be the case, that after 'Sheila' received the second shot and whilst she was positioned in the recovery position on the bedroom floor, as described, that the rifle that was subsequently placed on top of her body, with the muzzle end of the rifles barrel pointing  general into that part of her neck, where previously there had only been a single bullet entry wound whilst her body was photographed laid on top of the bed resting on top of the bed, but where now she had been wounded [fatally] by way of a second shot which must have got inflicted after police had photographedwho were keen to relay her on the bed, minus any rifle, or bible, but which by the time she was transferred into her eventual place of death'where had the rifle' from 'the bed' and 'the holy bible' from on top of her chest'[gone to], as `contended` by 'DS Jones' and 'DC Clark' when they attended 'Jeremys' cottage to take his '7th August 1985 [1st) witness statement. The two cops informed', 'Ann Eaton', 'other relatives, and 'Julie Mugford' that 'Nevilles' body had been found dead' downstairs in the kitchen. They added voluntarily that the bodies of 'Sheila' and ' June' were laid side by side on top of the bed, and that tgere was a rifle resting on the bed in between both bodies. 'Sheila' they told all present had an
Open bible resting on her chest. The twins were fo. Und, both had been shot dead in the beds where they had been sleeping. It must all be true, and remained as such, until 'DS Jones' and 'DC Clark' left the main bedroom crime scene, at around 9.12am. At that stage, 'Sheila' and 'Junes' bodies were laid side by side on top of the bed in the main bedroom. That left a 48 minute period before 'PC Bird' entered the main bedroom and started to take photographs of the rearranged positions where the two bodies had been displaced to 'June' onto the floor next to, and leaning against the inside of the bedroom door, with 'Sheila on the floor on the side of the bed where ' DS Jones' and 'DC Clark' ' had seen them both only some' three quarters of an hour' or 'so' , 'earlier'. How had the two bodies got from off the bed, onto the main bedroom floor withIn 'a 48 minute period' ? Who moved the rifle from its resting place on top of the bed [as seen by 'DS Jones' and 'DC Clark' insitu on the bed until 9.12am? Who practiced 'CPR' on 'Sheila' and rolled her body about after she received the second fatal shot? It wasn't 'Jeremy' or any 'hitman' who 'staged' 'Sheila Caffells suicide', it was 'the police', 'themselves' who did it. They not only tamperred with the positioning of 'Sheila Caffells' body whilst they rearranged her death scene, but these hoodlum crooked cops, rearranged 'Neville Bambers' and 'June Bambers', death scenes. Lets set out the facts, this mob of lawless cops took great joy in having their photographs taken next to the bodies of the three adult victims. These cops treat the bodies of these three family members, lIke props in a theatre production. The cops know what they have done, and did - and by the same token, they went along with a wicked plan to convict an innocent man of five murders using dodgy blood, paint and silencer evidence that was clearly manufactured and falsified for the sake of trying to prevent anyone and everyone from ever knowing the disgusting and hordendous behaviour those cops performed at, and inside the farmhouse...

[mike tesko]

For the record, only two silencers were ever sent to the lab' to be examined - 'SBJ/1' on the '13th August 1985'  and 'DRB/1' sent to the lab' at 'Huntingdon' on the '20th September 1985. Exhibit 'DB/1' (lab item no. 23) was 'a dry flake of blood' come 'sticky blob' which 'David Boutflour' scraped off the outside casing of the silencer he found at the scene, on the '10th August 1985', the silencer that he tampered with on tgat occasion, subsequently became exhibit 'DRB/1' (lab item no. 22/23]

[killingeve]

I do have evidence. All the DB items 1- 7 were collected on the day but then he takes another soil sample a month later and another a little later still according to his pocket book and what he told the COLP.

What day?

[mike tesko]

It remains a distinct possibility that `any use of the 17 baffled parker hale silencer on one of the rifles used in the shootings, and that in particular, it fired 'the fatal shot' and that 'it' killed 'Sheila' [bullet 'PV/19'] and that the phenomena of 'backspatter' caused blood 'to flow back', into 'the full 7 inch length' of the 'items' [all other '17 baffle plates,' containing the blood'. 'if' so, then 'three features', arising 'out of this possibility', 'would or might come into play, as follows (1) all 17 internal metal baffle plates of that '7 inch long', 'parker hale silencer' at risk of being contaminated' or 'saturated with human blood', also (2) at peril of  the 'internal screw thread' which attaches onto 'the external thread' on 'the end of the rifles barrel', which 'might' or 'could', 'receive', 'blood contamination', and (3) 'blood contamination', 'lining the inner wall' of 'the rifles barrel', which 'had fired the [only] full contact shot' and `fatal bullet` ['PV/19']...

Meanwhile, the 'other rifle', belonging to 'Bamber', which had been used to fire some of the shots, 'was not fitted' with 'its, or 'a silencer'. A 'truth', 'exacerbated', and 'proven' by 'an absence' of 'any blood group activity', 'inside', 'the lining of the [Bamber] rifles barrel'...

Please, 'take into account', 'the following aspects' and 'features' of ' the importance' and 'the significance' of 'Human blood', found 'to be present in the inverted [internal] thread of the' 17 internalised version / model of one of these two key silencers. This silencer 'was' / 'is owned' by 'Anthony Pargeter' and 'it was purchased in 1980, at the same time that he purchased his . 22 [Brno] bolt action rifle and a variety of several manufacturers. 22 [type] ammunition...

[Bubo bubo]

THE MISSING ITEM DB1

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As a result of recent communications on this thread, I believe we have agreed that DB1 thru DB7 exhibits were collected while WHF was a crime scene (07/08/85 – 09/08/85).

Which day?

The exact day is of little relevance. My best guess is the first day because DS Davidson was in attendance and DB says he passed him his finds, particularly the blue socks. DB went to the mortuary for recording on day one pm and again to further autopsies on the second day, returning to WHF for a meeting late in the afternoon. I have no evidence as to whether DS Davidson was present. I do not know if DB attended on day 3 before the handing over of the keys to the relatives.

We agree that DB collected a soil sample(s) in September as noted in his pocket book. However, If the above is true, this should have been recorded as DB8 and not DB1 according to his explanation of how he collected exhibits.

Even if this is a misreporting or an accident, it does not tell us what the original item DB1 collected from the crime scene was.

The only item in all the case paperwork currently available is a silencer or sound moderator originally recorded as DB1 which was later changed to DRB1 when the finder was said to be David Robert Boutflour and not David Bird.

"That is not a fact." David 1819 reply 358.

David is quite right to say the swap was not a fact. I should have been more circumspect in my language used and said that the fact that maybe the silencer was swapped hurt JB.

However, it does appear that something like a swap may have happened. Members can come to their own conclusions.

Can members suggest an item for the missing DB1? Please do not use this an excuse for ribaldry. It is a very serious question deserving of a serious answer.

I have yet to receive a plausible and rational argument regarding the two statements and additionally ask for the following to be considered
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Why are there no photographs of DB’s finds, in situ, before he collected and processed them? The only picture we have is DB6 blue socks.

He describes to us, that this is the procedure used by the SOCO officers.