Why would Julie bring up Matthew McDonald?

[Rob_]

Bamber was evasive from the start.

Over 30 'No comments' & 'can't remembers'. Over 10 -don't knows' & 'can't say'.

Several one word answers as well as vague answers such as 'not really', 'I think so'  & 'less than 40 but more than 10 !'

Thanks I will read them, but this is what troubles me with this case everything that shows JB in a bad light is available, everything that helps him or could help is withheld.

[JackieD]

Thanks I will read them, but this is what troubles me with this case everything that shows JB in a bad light is available, everything that helps him or could help is withheld.

Spot on Rob

[Adam]

Thanks I will read them, but this is what troubles me with this case everything that shows JB in a bad light is available, everything that helps him or could help is withheld.

'everything that shows JB in a bad light is available'.

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'Everything available shows JB in a bad light'.

[lookout]

This was purely a prosecution case so therefore any material that was/is ( still held ) could have undermined the case, but ALSO, could well have assisted the defence. Was this a fair trial ?? No, it wasn't !
This is IMHO an archaic and deceptive way of conducting any court case. No wonder there's a need for the CCRC ( such as it is ) for sifting out all the MOJ's that occur.

If cases were investigated properly and thoroughly in the first place there'd be no need for either PII's nor the CCRC. It's like living in the dark ages, without the advanced technology that we're supposed to have.

[lookout]

The 30 year holding of withheld documents has well passed, so my guess is that information being held holds many testimonials from those who saw JB in a good light ! Otherwise, why would anything be withheld now going on for 36 years ? So many edits/alterations and lies were told, I don't doubt that shame will fall upon EP at some stage.
I remain suspicious of their actions in holding onto material which is no longer relevant to present serving officers.

[lookout]

Those now acting on JB's behalf should be given ALL the remaining documents/ photo's etc !

[Rob_]

'everything that shows JB in a bad light is available'.

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'Everything available shows JB in a bad light'.

I probably worded this badly but I mean all evidence that is available for example:

The kitchen window that JB was supposed to have left the house from, I was under the impression that when inspected by EP and AE they could only get the latch to partly close after several hours of trying, slamming the window etc. and not fully close as depicted in the WHF series.

Also the picture shown to the jury showing the kitchen window was at a angle and not straight on so the handle looked partly open, when in fact it was fully closed. The picture showing the straight on view was not shown.

[mike tesko]

'Julie Mugford' second guessed 'Mathew McDonald', as 'The Hitman'  - the 'more likeliest hit man' , or 'SheilaCaffells', 'accomplice,', was non other than, 'Mathew Hampton', the 'dodgy farm worker, who turned up at' Osea Road, Campsite' offering to work for the relatives, without pay after the time of 'Jeremy Bambers' first arrest, on the basis that 'his mother' and the 'Bamber parents, were best of friends....

[Bubo bubo]

'Julie Mugford' second guessed 'Mathew McDonald', as 'The Hitman'  - the 'more likeliest hit man' , or 'SheilaCaffells', 'accomplice,', was non other than, 'Mathew Hampton', the 'dodgy farm worker, who turned up at' Osea Road, Campsite' offering to work for the relatives, without pay after the time of 'Jeremy Bambers' first arrest, on the basis that 'his mother' and the 'Bamber parents, were best of friends....

I agree that she was forced into giving a name and second guessed MM.

[Adam]

I agree that she was forced into giving a name and second guessed MM.

EP forced Julie to give a name of someone who didn't committ the massacre. To frame Bamber, who also didn't committ the massacre.

Why?

[guest29835]

EP forced Julie to give a name of someone who didn't committ the massacre. To frame Bamber, who also didn't committ the massacre.

Why?

Well why don't you ask your Mum and let us know?

[Adam]

Well why don't you ask your Mum and let us know?

Why are you bringing my mother into this?

Prat.

[lookout]

JM had brought MM into the equation because she KNEW JB hadn't done it so was fishing around for someone to blame. No doubt she'd have blamed BC if she could have done but probably realised he didn't " fit the bill " as a killer and had been abroad anyway.
You'd blame anyone really if you thought there was £25,000 at the end of it, wouldn't you ??

[mike tesko]

'Mathew Hamptons' sudden involvement with the running of 'Osea Road Campite' and 'White House Farm' where 'he' offered to work without pay, suggests to me, like he was looking to get the latest police investigation updates from the relatives - as far as I am aware, the police never took 'Mathew Hamptons' fingerprints to check against any being found or detected at the scene once the nature of the police investigation from the 'the 7th September 1985'..