Why did Jeremy tell Julie of his murderous intentions (if gulity)

[ILB]

Very very weird aspect of the case. A strong point talking prosecution wise. But when you look at the broad picture it doesn't add up.

Why would the gulity bamber tell her of what he was planning to do? How would he know that she wouldn't dob in him straight away. Wouldn't it have been better from bambers perspective. If he had been scheming this... From 1984 at the earliest.. to keep it all to himself?.  He had no reason to tell Julie of what he was doing. Bamber isn't an idiot. He would know he would be digging himself an hole. She would bring the whole thing crashing down. Who could live with the fact knowing their partner had killed his family and got away with it?, Of course bamber would be aware of this. Of course he would readily knew the potential damage he had done by confiding in Julie mugford.

Look at bambers behaviour post massacre. Having it off with other woman. His closeness to Brett collins. Distancing himself from Julie. By bambers own words by early 1985 he was losing interest in julie. Its madness to think that Bamber would tell her of his murderous intention from the outset. But to carry on like he did post massacre..... He might as well have said " go to the police and tell them"

I'm not aware of Jeremy bamber ever saying on record. Or Julie mugford stating that Bamber had threatened her with the words " if you ever go to the police I will end you" he, as his behaviour suggests didn't care much for Julie. He wasn't afraid of the fact she could bring down on him. Which rationally you think he would be

It boils down to Jeremy bambers arragonce. His stupidity or it never happened

[Adam]

Very very weird aspect of the case. A strong point talking prosecution wise. But when you look at the broad picture it doesn't add up.

Why would the gulity bamber tell her of what he was planning to do? How would he know that she wouldn't dob in him straight away. Wouldn't it have been better from bambers perspective. If he had been scheming this... From 1984 at the earliest.. to keep it all to himself?.  He had no reason to tell Julie of what he was doing. Bamber isn't an idiot. He would know he would be digging himself an hole. She would bring the whole thing crashing down. Who could live with the fact knowing their partner had killed his family and got away with it?, Of course bamber would be aware of this. Of course he would readily knew the potential damage he had done by confiding in Julie mugford.

Look at bambers behaviour post massacre. Having it off with other woman. His closeness to Brett collins. Distancing himself from Julie. By bambers own words by early 1985 he was losing interest in julie. Its madness to think that Bamber would tell her of his murderous intention from the outset. But to carry on like he did post massacre..... He might as well have said " go to the police and tell them"

I'm not aware of Jeremy bamber ever saying on record. Or Julie mugford stating that Bamber had threatened her with the words " if you ever go to the police I will end you" he, as his behaviour suggests didn't care much for Julie. He wasn't afraid of the fact she could bring down on him. Which rationally you think he would be

It boils down to Jeremy bambers arragonce. His stupidity or it never happened

You know Juiie would never perjure herself so seriously.

Bamber was telling Julie of his raw deal & then plans from early on.

After the massacre, Julie would know it was Bamber so there was no point him denying it to her. Better to keep her by his side for the next month.

[ILB]

You know Juiie would never perjure herself so seriously.

Bamber was telling Julie of his raw deal & then plans from early on.

After the massacre, Julie would know it was Bamber so there was no point him denying it to her. Better to keep her by his side for the next month.

The reality is starkly Adam it would better to keep her on side for the rest of his life. It didn't matter if bamber would have stayed free for another five years post massacre. Stan Jones and others suspected his gulit from day one. He would have to keep Julie " sweet" for the rest of his life if he wanted to remain a free man. Do you honestly believe he could just dump her and carry on his life coinsiding alongside what he had told Julie. And not her expect her to go to the police eventually? His relatives suspected him. The verdict would have always been dubious. In fact I'd go as far that if Jeremy bamber had got away with it he'd been treated akin media wise the same as the Lawrence suspects were. Maybe on a smaller scale

[Adam]

The reality is starkly Adam it would better to keep her on side for the rest of his life. It didn't matter if bamber would have stayed free for another five years post massacre. Stan Jones and others suspected his gulit from day one. He would have to keep Julie " sweet" for the rest of his life if he wanted to remain a free man. Do you honestly believe he could just dump her and carry on his life coinsiding alongside what he had told Julie. And not her expect her to go to the police eventually? His relatives suspected him. The verdict would have always been dubious. In fact I'd go as far that if Jeremy bamber had got away with it he'd been treated akin media wise the same as the Lawrence suspects were. Maybe on a smaller scale

He didn't dump her. It seems like both wanted out. Julie because of what she knew. Bamber because he thought he was clear.

[ILB]

He didn't dump her. It seems like both wanted out. Julie because of what she knew. Bamber because he thought he was clear.

It does not matter even if he didn't strictly end the relationship. It was inevitable though that would be the end product. Virginia, his nochalant approach to Julie and his distancing from her. It may have ended amicably as Julie said. But they weren't children. Jeremy would have been actively aware of the massive shit Julie could land him in. He effectively signed his own gulity verdict if Julie is to believed.

[Rob_]

The minute she heard the shocking crime had actually taken place including the murder of two young children what would the vast majority of people do? go straight to the police!

That is if she really thought it was JB.

[ILB]

The minute she heard the shocking crime had actually taken place including the murder of two young children what would the vast majority of people do? go straight to the police!

That is if she really thought it was JB.

It's a very good point. I don't buy " she was scared. She was terrified" Jeremy had not if we are to believe her committed mortgage fraud. He had committed five murders.

I for one would like to know Julie's demeanour from the journey from lewisham to Essex. And the conversation she had with the officers. I think it's a key point. I wish I was a fly on the wall for that car journey

[Rob_]

If she was scared all the more reason to go to the police?

[ILB]

If she was scared all the more reason to go to the police?

exactly its a natural reaction..

What could Julie expect Jeremy bamber to do from her? What threat could he pose. From that summer morning in 1985 his life to being arrested and charged when he came back to Dover... was under scrutiny under observation and being in the company of police officers. What could he seriously do to Julie???

[lookout]

And----whether she knew or not what he may or may not have done, continued to sleep with him !?

[guest29835]

Very very weird aspect of the case. A strong point talking prosecution wise. But when you look at the broad picture it doesn't add up.

Why would the gulity bamber tell her of what he was planning to do? How would he know that she wouldn't dob in him straight away. Wouldn't it have been better from bambers perspective. If he had been scheming this... From 1984 at the earliest.. to keep it all to himself?.  He had no reason to tell Julie of what he was doing. Bamber isn't an idiot. He would know he would be digging himself an hole. She would bring the whole thing crashing down. Who could live with the fact knowing their partner had killed his family and got away with it?, Of course bamber would be aware of this. Of course he would readily knew the potential damage he had done by confiding in Julie mugford.

Look at bambers behaviour post massacre. Having it off with other woman. His closeness to Brett collins. Distancing himself from Julie. By bambers own words by early 1985 he was losing interest in julie. Its madness to think that Bamber would tell her of his murderous intention from the outset. But to carry on like he did post massacre..... He might as well have said " go to the police and tell them"

I'm not aware of Jeremy bamber ever saying on record. Or Julie mugford stating that Bamber had threatened her with the words " if you ever go to the police I will end you" he, as his behaviour suggests didn't care much for Julie. He wasn't afraid of the fact she could bring down on him. Which rationally you think he would be

It boils down to Jeremy bambers arragonce. His stupidity or it never happened

But didn't Jeremy intimate to Julie that he or the police could drag her into it as a co-conspirator?

I agree it would have been foolish for Jeremy to tell Julie of what he was planning and also, in so many words, confess to her what he had done.  The latter is especially foolish if he intended to break up with her.  But people do strange and foolish things.  There's no accounting for it.

[Adam]

The minute she heard the shocking crime had actually taken place including the murder of two young children what would the vast majority of people do? go straight to the police!

That is if she really thought it was JB.

How do you know what you or other people would do in that situation. At 20?

[Adam]

It's a very good point. I don't buy " she was scared. She was terrified" Jeremy had not if we are to believe her committed mortgage fraud. He had committed five murders.

I for one would like to know Julie's demeanour from the journey from lewisham to Essex. And the conversation she had with the officers. I think it's a key point. I wish I was a fly on the wall for that car journey

Doubt there were any conversations in the police car. The driver had been told to pick her up & take her WHF. Neither aware what had happened.

[Rob_]

At 20 I think the vast majority of people would go straight to the police, if you really believed the person did the crime.

JB may have said untoward things about his family to Julie at times, I have had people over the years say terrible things to me about what they would do if the wife left etc.

But no one can be this foolish? or can they?

I think what happened is that it took the police interview after interview after interview trying to get Julie to change her statement saying things like we know he did it we just need your help...?

[Adam]

At 20 I think the vast majority of people would go straight to the police, if you really believed the person did the crime.

JB may have said untoward things about his family to Julie at times, I have had people over the years say terrible things to me about what they would do if the wife left etc.

But no one can be this foolish? or can they?

I think what happened is that it took the police interview after interview after interview trying to get Julie to change her statement saying things like we know he did it we just need your help...?

Julie approached the police.

She went to the police. After a month & complied a 24 page WS. Testified at court & has never retracted a word.

Lots of reasons why she didn't go to the police straight away. Such as being Bamber's girlfriend & the police treating it as murder/suicide.