Julie Mugford - the (lying) Criminal, exposed...

[Kaldin]

Look at this picture of her. See how elegantly she's dressed. She must surely have gone out and bought that hat with the little veil. What was going through her head when she did that, and when she got dressed for the funeral? What was going through her head when she applied that eyeliner?



What was going through her head when she went to the funeral for the boys knowing that Colin thought his ex-wife had killed his two little boys and that Jeremy was spending all that money on champagne and holidays?

[chelmsey]

If he should have been an actor........................then surely she should have been an actress!!!

[Kaldin]

If he should have been an actor........................then surely she should have been an actress!!!

I wonder if the family ever had a word of reproach for Julie. She lied to them  - or at least she let them think that Sheila had killed their relatives. Robert Boutflour described her later as a "frightened girl" but he didn't seem to wonder why such a "frightened girl" carried on seeing Jeremy, went on two holidays with him, and stood there at two funerals playing the part of the supportive girlfriend.

Did Julie tell Pamela she was sorry about the death of June? If so, how did Pamela feel when she later found out that Julie believed Jeremy had organised the murder of her sister? How did Ann Eaton feel when she found out that the conversations she had with Julie were fake? How did any of them feel later about Julie identifying the bodies of the people who she thought had been murdered by her boyfriend?

[grahameb]

If he should have been an actor........................then surely she should have been an actress!!!

I wonder if the family ever had a word of reproach for Julie. She lied to them  - or at least she let them think that Sheila had killed their relatives. Robert Boutflour described her later as a "frightened girl" but he didn't seem to wonder why such a "frightened girl" carried on seeing Jeremy, went on two holidays with him, and stood there at two funerals playing the part of the supportive girlfriend.

Did Julie tell Pamela she was sorry about the death of June? If so, how did Pamela feel when she later found out that Julie believed Jeremy had organised the murder of her sister? How did Ann Eaton feel when she found out that the conversations she had with Julie were fake? How did any of them feel later about Julie identifying the bodies of the people who she thought had been murdered by her boyfriend?

She doesn't look too frightened to me.

[Kaldin]

If he should have been an actor........................then surely she should have been an actress!!!

I wonder if the family ever had a word of reproach for Julie. She lied to them  - or at least she let them think that Sheila had killed their relatives. Robert Boutflour described her later as a "frightened girl" but he didn't seem to wonder why such a "frightened girl" carried on seeing Jeremy, went on two holidays with him, and stood there at two funerals playing the part of the supportive girlfriend.

Did Julie tell Pamela she was sorry about the death of June? If so, how did Pamela feel when she later found out that Julie believed Jeremy had organised the murder of her sister? How did Ann Eaton feel when she found out that the conversations she had with Julie were fake? How did any of them feel later about Julie identifying the bodies of the people who she thought had been murdered by her boyfriend?

She doesn't look too frightened to me.

No she doesn't. Robert Boutflour was obsessed with Jeremy and Brett Collins, and yet he had nothing whatsoever to say about Julie Mugford's behaviour.

How did she go on to live a new life with all that guilt on her shoulders?

[chelmsey]

Kaldin...............I think the only feelings the relatives have for Julie are gratefulness.Whatever she did or didnt do,in the end she came through for them by testifying against JB.It was all about the money and they got what they wanted.I have never once heard the relatives talk about wanting justice for their loved ones.Indeed I have only heard the word "love" mentioned once.And that was RB refering to his wife Pamelas love for June.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin...............I think the only feelings the relatives have for Julie are gratefulness.Whatever she did or didnt do,in the end she came through for them by testifying against JB.It was all about the money and they got what they wanted.I have never once heard the relatives talk about wanting justice for their loved ones.Indeed I have only heard the word "love" mentioned once.And that was RB refering to his wife Pamelas love for June.

Yes, I daresay they were grateful, but even so she looked them in the face and lied. She went to see the bodies of their family and said nothing. She went to the funerals and said nothing. Did she ever say sorry to them for that? Did they never consider that she could have prevented the murders if she'd spoken up when Jeremy told her he wanted them dead and when he was apparently experimenting with her own prescription drugs to see if he could drug them all?

[andrea]

she did none of that kaldin, she didnt need to because she lied about the fact that jeremy  told her anything in the first place.Shes a disgrace in my opinion.

wether jb is guilty or innocent, i dont believe he told her thing. She enjoyed the expensive meals, champagne, hollidays and even had sex with him after it had happened. A "frightened girl" belting joke that one.


suddenly shes dumped, along with the lifestyle she was getting accustomed to, and goes straight to the police. nice one jm 

[grahameb]

Kaldin...............I think the only feelings the relatives have for Julie are gratefulness.Whatever she did or didnt do,in the end she came through for them by testifying against JB.It was all about the money and they got what they wanted.I have never once heard the relatives talk about wanting justice for their loved ones.Indeed I have only heard the word "love" mentioned once.And that was RB refering to his wife Pamelas love for June.

Good point ba lady.

[nugnug]

i wonder why she told the first story about the hitman.

[Kaldin]

she did none of that kaldin, she didnt need to because she lied about the fact that jeremy  told her anything in the first place.Shes a disgrace in my opinion.

wether jb is guilty or innocent, i dont believe he told her thing. She enjoyed the expensive meals, champagne, hollidays and even had sex with him after it had happened. A "frightened girl" belting joke that one.


suddenly shes dumped, along with the lifestyle she was getting accustomed to, and goes straight to the police. nice one jm 

Yes, but even if she lied about what Jeremy said to her, I presume the relatives don't know she lied, so why did they not reproach her at all? I find that more than a bit strange.

[grahameb]

........ I presume the relatives don't know she lied, so why did they not reproach her at all? I find that more than a bit strange.

Because there is nothing so blind as prejudice. It only sees what it wants to see.

[Alias]

Good points, Kaldin and Lady chelmsey!

[Martin]

i wonder why she told the first story about the hitman.

My theory is that Julie was aware that the relatives suspected Jeremy and that they suspected that a hitman was involved. The part that Mugford herself invented was Jeremy’s confession. What the alleged confession contained were the mistaken assumptions of other people including the notion that Macdonald was involved.

I think it unlikely that Mugford would have simply invented it from nothing. It was probably somebody’s offhand guess which turned into a rumour. Mugford half believed it, so when the time came, it was a small step rather than a giant leap. At any rate, the confession contains other proven inaccuracies, so the hitman idea is, in my opinion, best regarded as being of the same status as the rest.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861024&id=GoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2005,5924099

From The Glasgow Herald (copied using GT Text)

Mr Rivlin also told the
jury that Mr Bamber’s for-
mer girlfriend Miss Julia
Mugford, who gave evi-
dence against him, had a
“convoluted mind,” was
jealous and had got her in-
formation about the shoot-
ings from the police, news
papers and others.
“There is not one single
thing that Mr Bamber ever
told her that she could only
have got from him,” he
said.
“ln all that time they
were together after the
dreadful incident, you
could expect that she
would have heard one thing
that only the murderer
could have told her, but she
didn’t."
The court has heard that
'police arrested Mr Bamber
after Miss Mugford went to
them claiming he had told
her he had hired a mercen-
ary, Matthew MacDonald,
to carry out the killings for
£2000.
Mr Rlvlin told the jury:
“The prosecution said Miss
Mugford would have had to
have had a convoluted
mind to have made all this
up. We say that she has.
“That Matthew (Mac-
Donald) story is not only
wrong in itself, but con-
tains in it a number of
details which can be
proved to be untrue and
which she can only have
got from the police or Ann
Eaton (a family friend)."
The trial continues.

[Caroline R]

My theory is that Julie was aware that the relatives suspected Jeremy and that they suspected that a hitman was involved. The part that Mugford herself invented was Jeremy’s confession. What the alleged confession contained were the mistaken assumptions of other people including the notion that Macdonald was involved.

I think it unlikely that Mugford would have simply invented it from nothing. It was probably somebody’s offhand guess which turned into a rumour. Mugford half believed it, so when the time came, it was a small step rather than a giant leap. At any rate, the confession contains other proven inaccuracies, so the hitman idea is, in my opinion, best regarded as being of the same status as the rest.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861024&id=GoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2005,5924099

From The Glasgow Herald (copied using GT Text)

Mr Rivlin also told the
jury that Mr Bamber’s for-
mer girlfriend Miss Julia
Mugford, who gave evi-
dence against him, had a
“convoluted mind,” was
jealous and had got her in-
formation about the shoot-
ings from the police, news
papers and others.
“There is not one single
thing that Mr Bamber ever
told her that she could only
have got from him,” he
said.
“ln all that time they
were together after the
dreadful incident, you
could expect that she
would have heard one thing
that only the murderer
could have told her, but she
didn’t."
The court has heard that
'police arrested Mr Bamber
after Miss Mugford went to
them claiming he had told
her he had hired a mercen-
ary, Matthew MacDonald,
to carry out the killings for
£2000.
Mr Rlvlin told the jury:
“The prosecution said Miss
Mugford would have had to
have had a convoluted
mind to have made all this
up. We say that she has.
“That Matthew (Mac-
Donald) story is not only
wrong in itself, but con-
tains in it a number of
details which can be
proved to be untrue and
which she can only have
got from the police or Ann
Eaton (a family friend)."
The trial continues.

Well said Martin - I am of the same thoughts!