Julie Mugford - the (lying) Criminal, exposed...

[Kaldin]

these words of Julie Mugford's keep coming back to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say Bamber phoned her and said, "It's working. Sheila's got the gun".?

In his 10pm phonecall to JM he is alleged to have said "tonights the night,its now or never"
In his early hours of the morning call to JM he is alleged to have said "its all going well,theres something wrong at the farm"

See, those last words kind of imply that a third party did the killing, don't you think?

[grahameb]

these words of Julie Mugford's keep coming back to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say Bamber phoned her and said, "It's working. Sheila's got the gun".?

In his 10pm phonecall to JM he is alleged to have said "tonights the night,its now or never"
In his early hours of the morning call to JM he is alleged to have said "its all going well,theres something wrong at the farm"

See, those last words kind of imply that a third party did the killing, don't you think?

It seems rather an odd thing to make out he said? If Julie Mugford wasn't lying then it looks as if Jeremy left the loaded gun out on purpose hoping Sheila would do what she did? All speculation of course. But you would think that if she was lying she could have thought of something better than that?

[Kaldin]

these words of Julie Mugford's keep coming back to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say Bamber phoned her and said, "It's working. Sheila's got the gun".?

In his 10pm phonecall to JM he is alleged to have said "tonights the night,its now or never"
In his early hours of the morning call to JM he is alleged to have said "its all going well,theres something wrong at the farm"

See, those last words kind of imply that a third party did the killing, don't you think?

It seems rather an odd thing to make out he said? If Julie Mugford wasn't lying then it looks as if Jeremy left the loaded gun out on purpose hoping Sheila would do what she did? All speculation of course. But you would think that if she was lying she could have thought of something better than that?

Yes - that tonights the night bit, or it's now or never is a bit of a cliche. Sounds fake to me really.

[chelmsey]

these words of Julie Mugford's keep coming back to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say Bamber phoned her and said, "It's working. Sheila's got the gun".?

In his 10pm phonecall to JM he is alleged to have said "tonights the night,its now or never"
In his early hours of the morning call to JM he is alleged to have said "its all going well,theres something wrong at the farm"

See, those last words kind of imply that a third party did the killing, don't you think?

Yes it does.But wasnt he trying to give her that impression all along? If guilty,he either worried what she really thought about it or it was his way of trying to seperate himself from the crime in order not to feel so guilty.

[HMEssex]

So what does "all is going well" and "something is wrong at the farm" mean?

These are contradictory statements, surely?

Either something is going well or is wrong, it can't be both!

[Kaldin]

these words of Julie Mugford's keep coming back to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say Bamber phoned her and said, "It's working. Sheila's got the gun".?

In his 10pm phonecall to JM he is alleged to have said "tonights the night,its now or never"
In his early hours of the morning call to JM he is alleged to have said "its all going well,theres something wrong at the farm"

See, those last words kind of imply that a third party did the killing, don't you think?

Yes it does.But wasnt he trying to give her that impression all along? If guilty,he either worried what she really thought about it or it was his way of trying to seperate himself from the crime in order not to feel so guilty.

If he was worried about how she'd react, why tell her anything in the first place though?

[Alias]

these words of Julie Mugford's keep coming back to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she say Bamber phoned her and said, "It's working. Sheila's got the gun".?

In his 10pm phonecall to JM he is alleged to have said "tonights the night,its now or never"
In his early hours of the morning call to JM he is alleged to have said "its all going well,theres something wrong at the farm"

See, those last words kind of imply that a third party did the killing, don't you think?

Yes it does.But wasnt he trying to give her that impression all along? If guilty,he either worried what she really thought about it or it was his way of trying to seperate himself from the crime in order not to feel so guilty.

If he was worried about how she'd react, why tell her anything in the first place though?

Exactly! It doesn´t ring true to me.

[chelmsey]

We only have JMs word that she thought JB wasnt serious when he was allegedly planning the murders.She had already shown herself to be a liar.For all we know,she could have been in it all with him and then bottled it on the night of the murders.It wouldnt surprise me if hed asked her to stay at the cottage that night as an alibi.Funny how she only went home the day before the murders!

[grahameb]

We only have JMs word that she thought JB wasnt serious when he was allegedly planning the murders.She had already shown herself to be a liar.For all we know,she could have been in it all with him and then bottled it on the night of the murders.It wouldnt surprise me if hed asked her to stay at the cottage that night as an alibi.Funny how she only went home the day before the murders!

She must have had a very slow mind. Didn't she suddenly realise and put two and two together when the murders happened? Didn't he say something to her on the lines of "I should have been an actor". ?

[chelmsey]

If she was telling the truth,then she is as guilty as he is.She could have warned the family! I think that she liked the idea of the inheritance too.   

[Kaldin]

If she was telling the truth,then she is as guilty as he is.She could have warned the family! I think that she liked the idea of the inheritance too.   

Yes. It's all very well her saying that she didn't take it seriously but if someone is repeatedly saying such things I think one would start to worry about it. She said he talked about it so often that it distressed her and she asked him to stop it. If someone made a random remark one day about wishing their family dead, one would probably put that down to temper or whatever, but if they went on about it to the extent that she claimed Jeremy did, I would have thought she'd take it seriously.

[chelmsey]

Yes and no matter how much I loved my boyfriend,if he phoned me and said "tonight the night", I would have threatened him that if he went anywhere near the family that night that Id go straight to the police! Even more bizzare is how she states that in the early morning call when he allegedly tells her that "all is going well,theres something wrong at the farm" - she tells him to go back to bed!!!!

[Kaldin]

Yes and no matter how much I loved my boyfriend,if he phoned me and said "tonight the night", I would have threatened him that if he went anywhere near the family that night that Id go straight to the police! Even more bizzare is how she states that in the early morning call when he allegedly tells her that "all is going well,theres something wrong at the farm" - she tells him to go back to bed!!!!

Yes. It's been said that she was infatuated with him and yet she was rather dismissive when he phoned her in the early hours.

I could accept that she didn't take him seriously when he talked about killing his family if they hadn't been murdered later, and I could accept that she might not have taken him seriously when he claimed he had them killed if he hadn't talked about killing them previously, but for her to virtually ignore all that for a whole month afterwards is just bizarre. 

[chelmsey]

I agree.She was happy enough to go along with it all the time she was his girlfriend and he was spending money on her! On the other hand,when people say that they cant believe he confessed all this to her,only to go on to dump her,he possibly kidded himself that if she told on him - who would believe her? After-all,it was effectively her word against his.She never had any concrete proof did she.Only what she had learned from the relatives/police/media.

[Kaldin]

I agree.She was happy enough to go along with it all the time she was his girlfriend and he was spending money on her! On the other hand,when people say that they cant believe he confessed all this to her,only to go on to dump her,he possibly kidded himself that if she told on him - who would believe her? After-all,it was effectively her word against his.She never had any concrete proof did she.Only what she had learned from the relatives/police/media.

I could just about understand why she might not spill the beans after the murders - she might have thought that doing so wouldn't bring them all back and that maybe it was best just to let it go, but I simply can't understand her going about with him afterwards - she went on two holidays with him, and she even went to see Colin Caffell with him. Did she stand there and look Colin Caffell in the face whilst he talked about his ex-wife killing their two little boys? Did she stand there and listen to him saying he couldn't understand it and how his life had been torn apart (and surely he must have said something along those lines). She'd seen those two little boys riddled with bullets and yet she felt nothing?

I can't understand why she wouldn't distance herself from it or tell her friends or something. I can't understand why she grabbed Jeremy's hand as soon as they got out of the car at the funeral and why she behaved as if he was another victim.

Re this News of the World story, did it every get published and did she ever explain why on earth she remained devoted to Jeremy until he dumped her?