The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[guest7363]

Lookout didn't tell him----I knew nothing about this.

I know Lookout and I can guess where it come from.  To be honest that’s why I don’t listen to any of their Podcasts, I don’t believe anything that comes out of Fantasy World.

[killingeve]

Bamber's witness statement dated 7th August 1985 : "Sheilas gone crazy she has got a gun"

Malcolm Bonnett's log dated 7th August 1985 : "Daughter gone beserk" "Daugher Sheila Bamber aged 26 years has got hold of one of my guns"

PC Myall's witness statement dated 15th August 1985 : "Your sister has gone beserk and she has got a gun"

Mrs Eaton's witness statement dated 8th September 1985 : "Sheila has got the gun she has gone crazy"

The 2002 appeal document : "You've got to help me. My father has rang me and said "Please come over. Your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun." Then the line went dead."

Bamber's audio clip (Daily Mirror) dated 31st January 2011 : "Please come over your sister has gone crazy and has the gun"

Please bear in mind Bamber claims after the phone call from his father he called back to establish what his father wanted him to do. 

[guest7363]

How can you be sure what he definitely said to PC West?  The calls were not recorded so you're reliant upon PC West's recollections.

We can’t be sure of anything I agree, to me it’s significant wording and I don’t think West would have invented it?  I could be wrong like you say but he stands up in Court on Oath and repeats this! He also goes into detail what Bamber told him about Sheila.

I think your basically nit picking because you tried to pull QC up about this and he put you right!

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1103.0;attach=5592

[killingeve]

We can’t be sure of anything I agree, to me it’s significant wording and I don’t think West would have invented it?  I could be wrong like you say but he stands up in Court on Oath and repeats this! He also goes into detail what Bamber told him about Sheila.

I think your basically nit picking because you tried to pull QC up about this and he put you right!

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1103.0;attach=5592

Its not a case of being deliberately misleading for whatever reasons more a case of why would he remember the exact words of a random call at approx 3 am in the morning?  By his own admission on the recent prog he said he was a young constable on a night shift and made a mistake with regard to the time.  No reason whatsoever why he should recall the exact words.  Why do you think calls are recorded now? 

I've no idea what you're talking about with regard to QC. 

[killingeve]

Unfortunately I think JB was waiting for one of the officers to say something about the sighting but seeing Bews had been so sure " it was a trick of the light " who do you think would be believed ?

I know who you would believe 

Bamber had plenty of opportunity to raise this in his witness statements or during his police interviews. 

If it was anything more than a 'trick of the light' then why wasn't it mentioned by anyone anywhere on 7th August? 

[guest7363]

Its not a case of being deliberately misleading for whatever reasons more a case of why would he remember the exact words of a random call at approx 3 am in the morning?  By his own admission on the recent prog he said he was a young constable on a night shift and made a mistake with regard to the time.  No reason whatsoever why he should recall the exact words.  Why do you think calls are recorded now? 

I've no idea what you're talking about with regard to QC.

Who says West is misleading? 

[guest7363]

Its not a case of being deliberately misleading for whatever reasons more a case of why would he remember the exact words of a random call at approx 3 am in the morning?  By his own admission on the recent prog he said he was a young constable on a night shift and made a mistake with regard to the time.  No reason whatsoever why he should recall the exact words.  Why do you think calls are recorded now? 

I've no idea what you're talking about with regard to QC.

Why do you think interviews are recorded, times have moved on like anything else.

[Rob_]

Can I ask you Rob where you got this information from?

I am struggling to remember to be honest where I read this RJ? I do know Rivlin was very poor in his questioning of Bews as it was unbelievably Rivlin who suggested it was a trick of the light.

If I had been JB I would have been furious with Rivlin, he was badly let down in this matter. It was Myall who first spotted possible movement though.

I will try and locate where I read it,

[killingeve]

Your post implied that armed police were called due to JB's call unless I misunderstood you?

So what have I twisted?

Yes there was a misunderstanding because you didn't put a comma between 'No armed'.  It needs to read
'No, armed assistance was called after Bews & co..... Without the comma it reads 'No armed assistance was called after Bews & co....

You need to be more careful with your posts otherwise I will make a case for a ban.

[lookout]

I know who you would believe 

Bamber had plenty of opportunity to raise this in his witness statements or during his police interviews. 

If it was anything more than a 'trick of the light' then why wasn't it mentioned by anyone anywhere on 7th August?

Of course I'd believe JB before the rogues gallery of officers----who couldn't even count, either .

[guest7363]

Its not a case of being deliberately misleading for whatever reasons more a case of why would he remember the exact words of a random call at approx 3 am in the morning?  By his own admission on the recent prog he said he was a young constable on a night shift and made a mistake with regard to the time.  No reason whatsoever why he should recall the exact words.  Why do you think calls are recorded now? 

I've no idea what you're talking about with regard to QC.

Ive looked at it again, it’s not that’s he’s remembering  the words, he’s recording them as Bamber phones him, he states the telephone call- conversation  is filled out on a C1 form as the conversation is taken place. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1103.0;attach=5591

[JackieD]

Yes there was a misunderstanding because you didn't put a comma between 'No armed'.  It needs to read
'No, armed assistance was called after Bews & co..... Without the comma it reads 'No armed assistance was called after Bews & co....

You need to be more careful with your posts otherwise I will make a case for a ban.

FFS

[killingeve]

Of course I'd believe JB before the rogues gallery of officers----who couldn't even count, either .

But this is where you do your cause a disservice because you're incapable of discerning. 

[killingeve]

FFS

That's definitely a case for a ban - foul language.

[killingeve]

Ive looked at it again, it’s not that’s he’s remembering  the words, he’s recording them as Bamber phones him, he states the telephone call- conversation  is filled out on a C1 form as the conversation is taken place. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1103.0;attach=5591

I guarantee you 100% if you relayed the same message to a dozen people you would get a dozen different versions.  This can be evidenced by PC West relaying his version of the message to Malcolm Bonnett and ending up with a somewhat different version unless you believe they are two different calls.