The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[Steve_uk]

It's better with hindsight to forego ad hominem attacks, of which I myself have been prone in the past. I owe an apology to Yvonne Hartley, whom I don't know but I can see after reading some of her blogs holds a genuine belief that there has been a miscarriage of justice. Far better to indicate where one believes one's opponent's argument falls down and state one's own case and take it from there.

[Rob_]

Thanks.  But it doesn't make clear they were running for their lives and/or they had seen anything that made them fearful etc.  Bamber told them he received a phone call from his father saying Sheila was going crazy with a gun.  He then went on to tell them about Sheila's mental health and firearms and ammo in the farmhouse.  They arrive and find the place with some lights on and deadly silent other than dogs barking.  Any rational person would think there was a good chance of something amiss.  It stands to reason Bews injected some urgency into the situation and they moved swiftly to the patrol car to request back up.  Why would they stroll back?

Saxby says they came running back and Bews filled out a situation report etc. So an important moment in the events that day, and neither Bews or Myall mention this in their statements?

I would like to see the report that Bews created why hide it?

[Rob_]

Rob is relying on very few things to show Bamber is innocent -

Bews 'ran'. (Probably for about 20 yards).

It was dark outside.

Nevill would not run away from a shooting gun man.

A Sheila scenario matching the evidence is not important.

I believe the car was parked something like 300yds away not 20yds, why do you have to twist everything?

[Rob_]

It's better with hindsight to forego ad hominem attacks, of which I myself have been prone in the past. I owe an apology to Yvonne Hartley, whom I don't know but I can see after reading some of her blogs holds a genuine belief that there has been a miscarriage of justice. Far better to indicate where one believes one's opponent's argument falls down and state one's own case and take it from there.

I have looked carefully at the case and being as fair and as unbiased as I can I think it is a clear MOJ as well.

[killingeve]

Saxby says they came running back and Bews filled out a situation report etc. So an important moment in the events that day, and neither Bews or Myall mention this in their statements?

I would like to see the report that Bews created why hide it?

What would you expect them to do given the situation:

* Bamber claims he recieved a phone call from his father that Sheila was going crazy with a gun
* He then expands on the above by telling them about Sheila's mental health along with firearms and ammuntion in the farmhouse none of which was under lock and key
* The trio recce the farmhouse.  Some lights are on but the only sounds are from the dogs barking. 

If the above doesn't tell you that hurrying back to the patrol car and getting the ball rolling in requesting back up was the right think to do then really there's no hope for you. 

[guest7363]

What would you expect them to do given the situation:

* Bamber claims he recieved a phone call from his father that Sheila was going crazy with a gun
* He then expands on the above by telling them about Sheila's mental health along with firearms and ammuntion in the farmhouse none of which was under lock and key
* The trio recce the farmhouse.  Some lights are on but the only sounds are from the dogs barking. 

If the above doesn't tell you that hurrying back to the patrol car and getting the ball rolling in requesting back up was the right think to do then really there's no hope for you.

I agree it’s not very nice once the threat of a rifle/gun is mentioned, let alone being caught up in a armed situation. If your unarmed and not trained in firearms, the clever instinct is to remove yourself away from the danger as quick as possible and let others deal with it, who wants to be a dead Hero.  Police officers are only human and all this crap about Bewes shitting himself doesn’t wash with me, he made the right call.

[killingeve]

I agree it’s not very nice once the threat of a rifle/gun is mentioned, let alone being caught up in a armed situation. If your unarmed and not trained in firearms, the clever instinct is to remove yourself away from the danger as quick as possible and let others deal with it, who wants to be a dead Hero.  Police officers are only human and all this crap about Bewes shitting himself doesn’t wash with me, he made the right call.

And they will no doubt be trained in such a way that minimises any risks to themselves, colleagues and the public. 

It must have been super eerie given the backdrop of the place, Bamber's claims, lights on and dogs barking. 

[Jane]

And they will no doubt be trained in such a way that minimises any risks to themselves, colleagues and the public. 

It must have been super eerie given the backdrop of the place, Bamber's claims, lights on and dogs barking.

The effect of JB's words, on police, has always been dismissed as inconsequential/not significant. However, before any of the met him, they'd have been aware of what he'd said. They'd have known they were heading into a potentially life threatening stand off. If that hadn't been enough, JB turns up and expands on the story he's already told. Not only had Sheila, according to the alleged call from his father, gone mad and got hold of a gun, she was a schizophrenic who'd only just been released from a psych hospital, and was gun competent. Given the "super eerie" backdrop, JB's warnings AND the fact that they were not just unarmed, but now responsible for the safety of a civilian, they did the only sensible thing they could. Sad that they've been mocked and labelled cowards.

[JackieD]

The effect of JB's words, on police, has always been dismissed as inconsequential/not significant. However, before any of the met him, they'd have been aware of what he'd said. They'd have known they were heading into a potentially life threatening stand off. If that hadn't been enough, JB turns up and expands on the story he's already told. Not only had Sheila, according to the alleged call from his father, gone mad and got hold of a gun, she was a schizophrenic who'd only just been released from a psych hospital, and was gun competent. Given the "super eerie" backdrop, JB's warnings AND the fact that they were not just unarmed, but now responsible for the safety of a civilian, they did the only sensible thing they could. Sad that they've been mocked and labelled cowards.

You need to post ‘in your opinion’ in front of your ‘stories’. As we know you are not an impartial poster. You personally make up ‘stories’ about Jeremy being of bad character which you are fully aware is not true as shown by people closest to him

[Rob_]

What would you expect them to do given the situation:

* Bamber claims he recieved a phone call from his father that Sheila was going crazy with a gun
* He then expands on the above by telling them about Sheila's mental health along with firearms and ammuntion in the farmhouse none of which was under lock and key
* The trio recce the farmhouse.  Some lights are on but the only sounds are from the dogs barking. 

If the above doesn't tell you that hurrying back to the patrol car and getting the ball rolling in requesting back up was the right think to do then really there's no hope for you.

So why does Bews change his story every time he gives an interview? In one it's Myall who saw the reflection, in another it's JB etc. Also in one interview he claims to call in armed police before returning to the car?

I expect the police to be honest, if they thought they saw someone then say so, not hide the fact to get a conviction. Why did Myall request a fingerprint search of the room if they were satisfied they saw nothing?

Where is the situation report?

[guest7363]

So why does Bews change his story every time he gives an interview? In one it's Myall who saw the reflection, in another it's JB etc. Also in one interview he claims to call in armed police before returning to the car?

I expect the police to be honest, if they thought they saw someone then say so, not hide the fact to get a conviction. Why did Myall request a fingerprint search of the room if they were satisfied they saw nothing?

Where is the situation report?

What so you mean by situation report Rob?  There could be one and it just doesn’t happen to be on here, we can only look at whatever Mike has or put up on this forum?

[JackieD]

So why does Bews change his story every time he gives an interview? In one it's Myall who saw the reflection, in another it's JB etc. Also in one interview he claims to call in armed police before returning to the car?

I expect the police to be honest, if they thought they saw someone then say so, not hide the fact to get a conviction. Why did Myall request a fingerprint search of the room if they were satisfied they saw nothing?

Where is the situation report?

Because Bews loves making up ‘stories’ his ‘stories’ change all the time. Jeremy himself told me himself Bews wet himself.

Obviously this made no difference to my stance but an interesting point from someone who was there

[guest7363]

So why does Bews change his story every time he gives an interview? In one it's Myall who saw the reflection, in another it's JB etc. Also in one interview he claims to call in armed police before returning to the car?

I expect the police to be honest, if they thought they saw someone then say so, not hide the fact to get a conviction. Why did Myall request a fingerprint search of the room if they were satisfied they saw nothing?

Where is the situation report?

If it was important why didn’t Bamber mention it when he was questioned.

[Rob_]

If it was important why didn’t Bamber mention it when he was questioned.

Was he questioned about this?

As it was JB had to pass a note to his defense at trial, but Rivlin let Bews off lightly by suggesting it was a trick of the light.

[Rob_]

What so you mean by situation report Rob?  There could be one and it just doesn’t happen to be on here, we can only look at whatever Mike has or put up on this forum?

It's in Saxby's statement RJ

"About five minutes latter all three came running back from the direction of the farmhouse and Pc BEWS contacted Information room and requested armed assistance and gave a situation report"

I would like to know what was in this report?