The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[Adam]

1.

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA


2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA


3.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.


4.

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


5.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.


6.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.


7.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.


8.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


9.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


10.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


11.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER, JUDGE.


12.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


13.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA


14.

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


15.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


16.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER.


17.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.


18.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


19.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


20.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


21.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


22.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.


23.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


24.

Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - COA.


25.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


26.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


27.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.


28.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


29.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


30.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


31.

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


32.

Sheila's blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


33.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - COA.


34.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.


35.

Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.


36.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - COA.


37.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE, COA.


38.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.


39.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE, COA.


40.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.


41.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER, COA.


42.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - COA.


43.

No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.


44.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.


45.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - COA.


46.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS, COA.


47.

June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.


48.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME, COA.


49.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.


50.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.


51.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - COA.


52.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COA.


53.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.


54.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.


55.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - COA.


56.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER, COA.


57.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.


58.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - COA.


59.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.


60.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.


61.

Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - COA.


62.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.


63.

Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER


64.

Housekeeper evidence of items around the kitchen sink being moved on massacre night - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK


65.

Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.


66.

Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.


67.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - Not disputed. CRIME SCENE PICTURES, COA.


68.

Dried blood on Sheila - Not Disputed. PATHOLOGIST.


69.

Sheila having to load prior to first shots - Not disputed. COA


70.

Blood in silencer being Sheila's with remote possibility of being a mixture of June and Nevill's. Meaning the silencer was used. Not disputed. COA.


71:

Nevill having the oppportunity to restrain Sheila while fully fit prior to her firing shots. Not disputed. AGREED BY ALL PARTIES.

I have posted this list several times before.

JackieD either has a very poor memory or chooses to ignore it. Believing all that matters is Julie identified the twins.

[Adam]

Bamber is the only alive suspect.

Each piece of evidence I have posted showing it was not Sheila, has at least one source. Nearly all has not been disputed by the CT.

Then there is the circumstantial evidence & Julie.

Not sure what more can be supplied.

[David1819]

I have posted this list several times before.

JackieD either has a poor memory or chooses to ignore it. Believing all that matters is Julie identified the twins.

"The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.

Gish Gallops are almost always performed with numerous other logical fallacies baked in. The myriad of component arguments constituting the Gallop may typically intersperse a few perfectly uncontroversial claims — the basic validity of which are intended to lend undue credence to the Gallop at large — with a devious hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies, red herrings and straw men — which, if not rebutted as the fallacies they are, pile up into egregious problems for the refuter."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

[Adam]

"The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.

Gish Gallops are almost always performed with numerous other logical fallacies baked in. The myriad of component arguments constituting the Gallop may typically intersperse a few perfectly uncontroversial claims — the basic validity of which are intended to lend undue credence to the Gallop at large — with a devious hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies, red herrings and straw men — which, if not rebutted as the fallacies they are, pile up into egregious problems for the refuter."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Do you believe Julie identifying the twins makes Bamber innocent?

[guest29835]

"The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.

Gish Gallops are almost always performed with numerous other logical fallacies baked in. The myriad of component arguments constituting the Gallop may typically intersperse a few perfectly uncontroversial claims — the basic validity of which are intended to lend undue credence to the Gallop at large — with a devious hodgepodge of half-truths, outright lies, red herrings and straw men — which, if not rebutted as the fallacies they are, pile up into egregious problems for the refuter."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

You are completely right to post the above.  It's claimed that he has been banned in the past.  I'm not sure how many times.  Just the once?  It clearly didn't have the desired effect as he still spams the Forum and goads other posters with impunity.

In point of interest, I recall I did respond to that list of his a few months ago.  I accepted some of it, while pointing out that much of it is wrong or his own misinterpretation of what the Court of Appeal or other sources had found or said. Predictably, he ignored my response and just ploughed on with the spamming, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphors.  Steve has commented that he thinks this behaviour is admirable.  I think it's disgraceful.  But it's not my forum, so I will leave you to it.  Given the impunity here, it is dangerous for those of us with eyes to see it to criticise it.

[Adam]

You haven’t shown any evidence. Big fat zero and you choose to believe the chief prosecution witness who is a pathological liar with clear mental health issues

You continue to post lies on this forum saying there was only one fraudulent cheque transaction of £700

Even you with your lack of intelligence seem unable to grasp that even Julie would not be stupid enough to write a fraudulent cheque for £700 (today’s value over £2000) which would have looked suspicious.

I am fed up with looking at your long ridiculous posts and normally skip them but I will react when you post absolute lies

£700 (today’s value £2000) is not a minor cheque fraud and was from a number of retail outlets

Stop the lies or don’t post

Obviously I had no choice but to post a list of evidence. At least one source supplied with each piece.

Bamber being the only alive suspect with motives, an opportunity, no alibi & Julie's WS/testimony must surely make it the most watertight conviction ever. Bamber's been trying to get released for 35 years.

Hopefully you won't forget again.

[David1819]

You are completely right to post the above.  It's claimed that he has been banned in the past.  I'm not sure how many times.  Just the once?  It clearly didn't have the desired effect as he still spams the Forum and goads other posters with impunity.

In point of interest, I recall I did respond to that list of his a few months ago.  I accepted some of it, while pointing out that much of it is wrong or his own misinterpretation of what the Court of Appeal or other sources had found or said. Predictably, he ignored my response and just ploughed on with the spamming, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphors.  Steve has commented that he thinks this behaviour is admirable.  I think it's disgraceful.  But it's not my forum, so I will leave you to it.  Given the impunity here, it is dangerous for those of us with eyes to see it to criticise it.

If memory serves me right. Adam was banned a few times by either Maggie or Patti. This was several years ago now.

[Adam]

If memory serves me right. Adam was banned a few times by either Maggie or Patti. This was several years ago now.

You have also been banned.

[lookout]

Adam doesn't bother me as he's not going to get anywhere with the repetitive posts he keeps making, many of which are now old-hat and been proven to be untrue over the years when further investigations came to light.
It seems to me that he has to keep up his " hate-fest " for reasons unknown to the rest of us but there is an ulterior motive behind his posting. No full explanation has ever been given by him, personally, for JB's " guilt ", everything he writes is just copied from those who investigated the crime while most of us can see with half an eye that some things weren't altogether truthful during the investigation.
He has my sympathy !

[Adam]

Most posters have been banned. Some given permanent bans by Mike.

Some current/former posters were/are either elderly, former moderators or had dyslexia. Obviously they would have been fiercely protected & not banned.

Moderators are human & will have their favourites. Usually fellow supporters.

I have only requested David be banned. After he ignored Maggies instruction not to put an offensive picture up. I would have certainly been banned if I had ignored that instruction. 

[lookout]

Most posters have been banned. Some given permanent bans by Mike.

Some current/former posters were/are either elderly, former moderators or had dyslexia. Obviously they would have been fiercely protected & not banned.

Moderators are human & will have their favourites. Usually fellow supporters.

I have only requested David be banned. After he ignored Maggies instruction not to put an offensive picture up. I would have certainly banned me if I had ignored that instruction.

Quite discriminatory too ! Because I'm " elderly " doesn't mean to say that I know any less than you do !
Then again, you've always had a hang-up about my age, but see if I care. 

[Adam]

Bamber has only disputed 3 of the 71 pieces of evidence.

They focus on other aspects. Nevill calling the police, Sheila alive inside WHF, not released documents & Julie lying because she was jilted.

[Roch]

Anyone given the latest one a twirl?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-telephone-issues-resolved/id1555731881?i=1000533944875

[David1819]

Anyone given the latest one a twirl?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-telephone-issues-resolved/id1555731881?i=1000533944875

Four minutes in and they claim Sheila rang 999 for an ambulance at 6:09am.

Anyone reading Rowe or Burnells statements will know that never happened. Its on record that the police called for the ambulances.

This is either gross incompetence by the CT or wilful misrepresentation.

[Steve_uk]

Anyone given the latest one a twirl?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-telephone-issues-resolved/id1555731881?i=1000533944875

Yes and the Campaign Team have yet again raised deceit into an art form. Let's not lose sight of the bigger picture. Briefly:

1) The master bedroom was devoid of a telephone on the evening of 6th August 1985. Wouldn't June have preferred to take her sister's call at 10:00pm in bed, rather than have to stand around in the kitchen at so late an hour?

2) On Monday morning, around 10 o' clock, Douglas Pike called at the farm to collect the faulty cordless telephone from the kitchen; it had been a replacement for the original one, damaged during the lightning strikes. Sheila greeted him at the back door. He noticed Nicholas and Daniel: "I was very impressed, as a grandfather, by the way that the two boys were behaving. They were standing at the end of the kitchen table making paper flags and colouring them in with pencils." Pike left thinking what a happy family they seemed.

3) There's no credible evidence whatsoever that the telephone calls in the wee hours attributed to Sheila were ever made.