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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #870 on: August 31, 2021, 11:40:AM »
June had taken sleeping pills for years. Why couldn't JB have just helped himself if he'd been that keen on knocking everyone out ? He could even have stayed that night and over-dosed them all to save him the bother of shooting them, then hopped it with the money from the safe/ wallet and handbags.

But---he wasn't that way inclined, was he ? I'm not even sure that he knew where the safe key was hidden, but a family member knew !

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« Reply #871 on: August 31, 2021, 11:46:AM »

Your posts are just laughable

£700 in 1986 is worth £2,104.08 today

Not a minor cheque fraud

Mugford carried out fraud in multiple shops with multiple different cheques

Fact

It was one cheque book fraud.

I know you are a very passionate supporter of Bamber. Because Julie identified the twins. However distorting the facts will not help his 35 year 'Campaign for Freedom'.
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« Reply #872 on: August 31, 2021, 11:50:AM »


Laughable

Adam the forum joke

Posts like the above skip your false posts.

'Mad' JackieD, you need to calm down.

Bamber said in his police interviews he knew Julie had sleeping pills.

Him using them may have been an option when discussing with Julie & James Richards about burning down WHF. 
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« Reply #873 on: August 31, 2021, 11:58:AM »
When did I say that? Bews says they stayed & observed the window, then decided it was a 'trick of the light'.

Sheila's nightdress goes missing. When, how? 

Just when modern technology came in. What modern technology? 

The nightdress was tested prior to the trial. The evidence submitted.  It was perfectly possible to fully check the nightdress in 1985.

Up to your old tricks, I see.  Say something, then forget or deny you said it.  Then demand that proof is produced that you said it.  Then when proof is produced, deny it anyway or insult the other person.

It was one cheque book fraud.

I know you are a very passionate supporter of Bamber. Because Julie identified the twins. However distorting the facts will not help his 35 year 'Campaign for Freedom'.

I don't necessarily agree with Jackie's argument that Julie's criminality implies she may have been lying.  It doesn't necessarily imply that at all.  You can be a terrible person and still be telling the truth.  You can be a very dishonest person and still, at the crucial moment, tell the God's honest truth.  The fact she engaged in criminality is, however, relevant and it's a factor to consider in the round.

You are not being honest here, Adam.  You and others minimise Julie's criminality when you know she did more.  Any discussion on that basis is not an honest discourse.

I think you've got to come clean and tell us what your interest in this case is.  Same applies to certain others.

Calling a Forum member 'Mad Jackie' is also a bit out or order, and once again puts the lie to the claim that you personally insult nobody.

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« Reply #874 on: August 31, 2021, 12:12:PM »
Up to your old tricks, I see.  Say something, then forget or deny you said it.  Then demand that proof is produced that you said it.  Then when proof is produced, deny it anyway or insult the other person.

I don't necessarily agree with Jackie's argument that Julie's criminality implies she may have been lying.  It doesn't necessarily imply that at all.  You can be a terrible person and still be telling the truth.  You can be a very dishonest person and still, at the crucial moment, tell the God's honest truth.  The fact she engaged in criminality is, however, relevant and it's a factor to consider in the round.

You are not being honest here, Adam.  You and others minimise Julie's criminality when you know she did more.  Any discussion on that basis is not an honest discourse.

I think you've got to come clean and tell us what your interest in this case is.  Same applies to certain others.

Calling a Forum member 'Mad Jackie' is also a bit out or order, and once again puts the lie to the claim that you personally insult nobody.

Up to your old tricks, I see. Say something, then forget or deny you said it.

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Just back from a deserved ban. Now resurfacing to be rude again. Feel free to provide the post. Rob didn't.
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« Reply #875 on: August 31, 2021, 12:16:PM »
Up to your old tricks, I see.  Say something, then forget or deny you said it.  Then demand that proof is produced that you said it.  Then when proof is produced, deny it anyway or insult the other person.

I don't necessarily agree with Jackie's argument that Julie's criminality implies she may have been lying.  It doesn't necessarily imply that at all.  You can be a terrible person and still be telling the truth.  You can be a very dishonest person and still, at the crucial moment, tell the God's honest truth.  The fact she engaged in criminality is, however, relevant and it's a factor to consider in the round.

You are not being honest here, Adam.  You and others minimise Julie's criminality when you know she did more.  Any discussion on that basis is not an honest discourse.

I think you've got to come clean and tell us what your interest in this case is.  Same applies to certain others.

Calling a Forum member 'Mad Jackie' is also a bit out or order, and once again puts the lie to the claim that you personally insult nobody.

Calling a Forum member 'Mad Jackie.

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Just back from a deserved ban & up to your old tricks again. Choosing to ignore JackieD's earlier rude posts towards me.

JackieD has been known as 'Mad' Jackie on both Red & Blue for years. Not hard to see why.
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« Reply #876 on: August 31, 2021, 12:42:PM »
QC has used both tactics with me -

If I ask him a difficult question, he will usually not answer. If he does answer, he will say he's already discussed it & I should search the forum. Rather than direct me to the thread. 

He will also accuse me of saying something. The simple thing to then do is quote my post. However he will not do this but just say 'I definately said it'.
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« Reply #877 on: August 31, 2021, 01:08:PM »
It was one cheque book fraud.

I know you are a very passionate supporter of Bamber. Because Julie identified the twins. However distorting the facts will not help his 35 year 'Campaign for Freedom'.

No it was not. Do your research
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #878 on: August 31, 2021, 01:10:PM »
'Mad' JackieD, you need to calm down.

Bamber said in his police interviews he knew Julie had sleeping pills.

Him using them may have been an option when discussing with Julie & James Richards about burning down WHF.

Adam ie the forum joke.

Stop telling lies. Try asking Ngb
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #879 on: August 31, 2021, 01:13:PM »
No it was not. Do your research

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.html

Ground 5 of Bamber's 2002 COA hearing is to do with the cheque book fraud. One occasion. With Susan Battersby.

Keep up.
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« Reply #880 on: August 31, 2021, 01:15:PM »
Adam ie the forum joke.

Stop telling lies. Try asking Ngb

You need to calm down 'Mad' Jackie. You are not doing Bamber's 35 year 'Campaign for Freedom' any credit 

Stick to the facts. Don't exaggerate.
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« Reply #881 on: August 31, 2021, 01:19:PM »
COA:

The first limb of ground 5 is a complaint that the prosecution failed to disclose the fact that both Julie Mugford and Susan Battersby were given immunity.

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Couldn't the defence disclose this? The defence did bring up the minor cheque book fraud at court.

As a first offence, it is likely Julie & Susan Battersby would have received a caution. They paid the money back.
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« Reply #882 on: August 31, 2021, 01:41:PM »
COA:

The second limb of this ground contends that the prosecution failed to disclose the action of DS Jones and other unidentified officers in respect of the cheque fraud perpetrated by Julie Mugford and Susan Battersby on the Midland Bank. Mr Turner in his skeleton argument explains this part of the ground by alleging:

"... contrary to the evidence given at trial, Susan Battersby and Julie Mugford's attendance at the Midland Bank had been orchestrated by the police and unidentified officers had almost certainly encouraged the bank to take the stance that they did."

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Not surprised Stan Jones got involved with getting the minor cheque book fraud issue resolved as smoothly as possible. He was in the middle of a murder case. Julie & Susan had submitted important WS's.

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« Reply #883 on: August 31, 2021, 01:56:PM »
Adam as you know everything that happened that night could you explain please why Brews and Myall never mentioned in their statements about seeing the reflection in the window, running back to the car and calling for armed back up?

It is in Saxby's statement, also if they were satisfied that it was only a reflection why did Myall (I believe) request a fingerprint sweep of the room?

Why were the jury not informed that after seeing the reflection they ducked down then ran? If I had been on the jury I would have been very interested in why two cops were running from a reflection?

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« Reply #884 on: August 31, 2021, 02:03:PM »
Adam as you know everything that happened that night could you explain please why Brews and Myall never mentioned in their statements about seeing the reflection in the window, running back to the car and calling for armed back up?

It is in Saxby's statement, also if they were satisfied that it was only a reflection why did Myall (I believe) request a fingerprint sweep of the room?

Why were the jury not informed that after seeing the reflection they ducked down then ran? If I had been on the jury I would have been very interested in why two cops were running from a reflection?

'Fingerprint sweep of the room' ? Maybe Sheila's prints would be there. Hold on, she was staying there.

The 'trick of the light' was just that. Not sure what else can be said.

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