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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #840 on: August 30, 2021, 10:18:AM »
Sheila's nightdress was tested and the evidence submitted at court. It was very damaging.

Do you believe there was an industrial frame. Involving the police, experts, courts, relatives, Julie & independent witnesses?




" Very damaging " evidence on the nightdress ? Do tell.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #841 on: August 30, 2021, 10:31:AM »
There is no way Julie would dare perjure herself so seriously. In a loan attempt to frame a free man. Just because they split up. Too many massive disadvantages.

Besides which she knew too much information, which only Bamber would have given her.


Another one of your ridiculous statements
Do you know Julie?

Julies numerous crimes added up to a prison sentance

Julie proved without a shadow of doubt a prison sentence didn’t scare her
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #842 on: August 30, 2021, 10:42:AM »
By the time Julie had fed stories to her friends re Jeremy and the murders at WHF and the police were involved she opened the floodgates and there was no way back for her. She was obviously told she could face a prison sentance for her crimes and lose her career or do the ‘right thing’ and support the prosecution case

It couldn’t be clearer
The time lines are clear
The withholding of Mugfords statement held under PII make it clear
The police not warning the Canadian authorities that Mugford did not have the good character to be considered as a teacher

The big lie is Crystal clear
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #843 on: August 30, 2021, 10:46:AM »
How did we get to know about these incidents?

Are you disputing these facts?
Are you disputing the fact that Mugford is a liar?
Are you disputing the fact Mugfords behaviour showed she was unstable?
Are you disputing the fact that Mugford managed to deceive everyone at WHF after the murder?
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #844 on: August 30, 2021, 10:52:AM »



" Very damaging " evidence on the nightdress ? Do tell.

The COA had a lot of evidence on the nightdress -

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Sheila Caffell was also dressed in her nightwear and bare-footed. She had received two contact or near contact bullet wounds to her throat. The higher of the two wounds would have killed her almost instantaneously.

The lower of the two would have been a fatal injury but not one where death would have occurred immediately and a person having suffered such an injury may have been able to stand up and walk around for a little time.

The lack of heavy blood staining to Sheila Caffell's nightdress suggested that this had not happened here.

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There was no evidence of any other mark or injury to Sheila Caffell's body such as might be suffered during a fight or in a scuffle.

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Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood.

The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.

The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times.

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The most clear cut of which was that Mr Ismail had referred to a bloodstain on the upper right thigh of Sheila Caffell's nightdress that was clearly caused by a bloody hand print.

He said that he understood that Dr Vanezis, the pathologist, had given evidence that there was no blood on the palm side of Sheila Caffell's hands.

Therefore, he concluded, this staining must have been deposited by another individual. However, whilst Mr Ismail rightly recorded the evidence of Dr Vanezis, Mr Turner was able to point to a note made by Dr Vanezis at the time of the post-mortem examination that read:


"bloodstained palm prints on nightdress matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from R hand. "

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To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give.

From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet.

For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor.

In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force.

Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled.

He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect.

Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #845 on: August 30, 2021, 10:54:AM »
By the time Julie had fed stories to her friends re Jeremy and the murders at WHF and the police were involved she opened the floodgates and there was no way back for her. She was obviously told she could face a prison sentance for her crimes and lose her career or do the ‘right thing’ and support the prosecution case

It couldn’t be clearer
The time lines are clear
The withholding of Mugfords statement held under PII make it clear
The police not warning the Canadian authorities that Mugford did not have the good character to be considered as a teacher

The big lie is Crystal clear

The police didn't know about the minor cheque book fraud until after she had completed her WS.

She told the police about the caravan break in.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #846 on: August 30, 2021, 10:56:AM »

Another one of your ridiculous statements
Do you know Julie?

Julies numerous crimes added up to a prison sentance

Julie proved without a shadow of doubt a prison sentence didn’t scare her

I don't know her. Do you?

The minor cheque book fraud with Susan Battersby & being Bamber's lookout while he robbed his family were not worthy of a prison sentance.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #847 on: August 30, 2021, 01:52:PM »
How many ‘minor cheque frauds’ did she carry out Adam?  Was it one or multiple?
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #848 on: August 30, 2021, 01:58:PM »
Sheila's nightdress was tested and the evidence submitted at court. It was very damaging.

Do you believe there was an industrial frame. Involving the police, experts, courts, relatives, Julie & independent witnesses?

I am more careful of what you post now Adam, you corrected me in another post that the two policeman and JB never ran back up the lane after seeing the refection in the window but Saxby's statement proves they did. So after convincing themselves they saw nothing they run!!

As I said before just when modern technology could maybe have decided this this case SC's nightdress goes missing, people's actions tell a story and someone was afraid of what modern analysis would reveal.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #849 on: August 30, 2021, 02:25:PM »
How many ‘minor cheque frauds’ did she carry out Adam?  Was it one or multiple?

The police were aware of one.

The judge saying she paid the money back but Bamber didn't after robbing his family.
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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #850 on: August 30, 2021, 02:32:PM »
I am more careful of what you post now Adam, you corrected me in another post that the two policeman and JB never ran back up the lane after seeing the refection in the window but Saxby's statement proves they did. So after convincing themselves they saw nothing they run!!

As I said before just when modern technology could maybe have decided this this case SC's nightdress goes missing, people's actions tell a story and someone was afraid of what modern analysis would reveal.

When did I say that? Bews says they stayed & observed the window, then decided it was a 'trick of the light'.

Sheila's nightdress goes missing. When, how? 

Just when modern technology came in. What modern technology? 

The nightdress was tested prior to the trial. The evidence submitted.  It was perfectly possible to fully check the nightdress in 1985.
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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #851 on: August 30, 2021, 02:42:PM »
The police were aware of one.

The judge saying she paid the money back but Bamber didn't after robbing his family.

It was multiple check frauds

Di Julie pay back the money for the caravan park robbery ?
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #852 on: August 30, 2021, 02:44:PM »
It was multiple check frauds

Di Julie pay back the money for the caravan park robbery ?

Have you got a source it was multiple cheque book frauds?

It was Bamber who robbed his family.
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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #853 on: August 30, 2021, 06:58:PM »
Have you got a source it was multiple cheque book frauds?

It was Bamber who robbed his family.

You know it was multiple cheque book frauds at numerous shops

Julie was involved in the caravan park robbery, why didn’t she pay the money back to the Bamber estate
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #854 on: August 30, 2021, 07:00:PM »
Do you really ‘believe’ what Daisy has said

I find it quite shocking that anyone believes her just like ‘Aunt Agatha

As you know I have it in black and white that ‘Aunt Agatha’ is a pathological liar

I was fairly close to Jeremy at one point (regarding the case) as you know I was one of the first people to learn about the MWT documentary

I have stated before Jeremy never once asked me for money. In fact when Jeremy was hoping to have his case referred to the CCRC he discussed the cost of tests needed but he never mentioned needing money from me

Off my own back I sent him a tiny amount of money for stamps and phone cards
If a documentary relied on this person that frequents the almost defunct red forum called Daisy it’s obviously not going to be a good documentary.  Theroux could have every letter Jeremy ever sent me and money was never mentioned

Out of interest has this Daisy ever exposed her real identity?

What has AA lied about?