The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[David1819]

From what I can gather, they initially purported to be interested in evidence relating to the case / new submissions. However, their interest was apparently superficial and their aims regarding the documentary are not thought to be beneficial to the defence. Didn't they try to contact that 'Daisy' over on red? Not sure, but there was something posted claiming that.

From what I understand, Theroux and Co fell out with the campaign team. Which is nothing unexpected considering the campaign team fell out will NGB, SMK and JP among others over the years.

[JackieD]

Do you really ‘believe’ what Daisy has said

I find it quite shocking that anyone believes her just like ‘Aunt Agatha

As you know I have it in black and white that ‘Aunt Agatha’ is a pathological liar

I was fairly close to Jeremy at one point (regarding the case) as you know I was one of the first people to learn about the MWT documentary

I have stated before Jeremy never once asked me for money. In fact when Jeremy was hoping to have his case referred to the CCRC he discussed the cost of tests needed but he never mentioned needing money from me

Off my own back I sent him a tiny amount of money for stamps and phone cards
If a documentary relied on this person that frequents the almost defunct red forum called Daisy it’s obviously not going to be a good documentary.  Theroux could have every letter Jeremy ever sent me and money was never mentioned

Out of interest has this Daisy ever exposed her real identity?

[JackieD]

I've always assumed that you're female.

I don't personally care what sex or race somebody on here is.  It's got nothing to do with it.  If I make a point against women generally, it's not because I'm against women, it's because I'm just telling you what I think.  There are plenty of things I can say about men as well.  Give me five minutes and I'll have you convinced I'm a misandrist.

Back to the topic in hand, a prominent judge in England once commented that a major reason for miscarriages of justice is that a female witness lies.  If Julie lied in the sense of making the whole thing up, that would be a big, big lie.  The bigness of the lie almost is a ground in itself to be sceptical about Jeremy's claims of innocence.



Would somebody lie that much, on that scale?

Unfortunately history shows women lie on that scale

[JackieD]

From what I understand, Theroux and Co fell out with the campaign team. Which is nothing unexpected considering the campaign team fell out will NGB, SMK and JP among others over the years.

Please add Mark Williams Thomas to that list.

I still believe the campaign team making Jeremy distance himself from Neil, Simon and Mark has cost Jeremy his freedom

This case being referred needs public opinion on Jeremy side
Removing the help offered from the people above is unforgivable

[Adam]

Unfortunately history shows women lie on that scale

What history?

[JackieD]

What history?

Here’s one to start with

A "serial liar" who invented false rape and sexual assault allegations has failed in a bid to clear her name.
Jemma Beale, 27, from Hounslow, west London, was jailed for 10 years in August 2017 after claiming she was sexually assaulted by six men and raped by nine over the space of three years.
She challenged her convictions for perjury and perverting the course of justice and her sentence.
Her bid was rejected by three judges at the Court of Appeal.
Beale's lawyer Gillian Jones QC argued the trial judge should have given the jury directions about the "danger of assumptions, myths and stereotypes" relating to victims of sexual offences.
She also argued that the loss of her anonymity, which led to intense media scrutiny, caused prejudice to Beale's defence.
In rejecting the appeal bid, Lady Justice Hallett said such directions usually applied to victims, not defendants, and that even if the judge had given guidance it would not have helped Beale.
The judges also dismissed an appeal by Beale against her sentence, saying hers was an "exceptional case".
'Lied to get money'
Lady Justice Hallett said that, as well as the men Beale falsely accused, the "system of justice" had suffered significant harm.
She added: "The total of 10 years, although stern, we are satisfied cannot be described as excessive."
The judge told the court that one of the men Beale accused of rape in 2010, Mahad Cassim, was tried twice and jailed for seven years.
His conviction was quashed by the Court of Appeal in 2015 after his defence team and the Crown Prosecution Service was alerted to serious doubts over Beale's allegations.
She had been awarded £11,000 by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority and had told a former girlfriend she had lied to get the money, the court heard.
Lady Justice Hallett said: "The idea that a woman could send an innocent man to prison for years solely so she could obtain compensation beggars belief."

[JackieD]

It is an undisputed fact Mugford was a pathological liar involved in numerous criminal activities. She was obsessed with Jeremy to the point she tried to smother him. There’s no doubt in my mind she was capable of carrying out this massive lie.

[Adam]

Here’s one to start with

A "serial liar" who invented false rape and sexual assault allegations has failed in a bid to clear her name.
Jemma Beale, 27, from Hounslow, west London, was jailed for 10 years in August 2017 after claiming she was sexually assaulted by six men and raped by nine over the space of three years.
She challenged her convictions for perjury and perverting the course of justice and her sentence.
Her bid was rejected by three judges at the Court of Appeal.
Beale's lawyer Gillian Jones QC argued the trial judge should have given the jury directions about the "danger of assumptions, myths and stereotypes" relating to victims of sexual offences.
She also argued that the loss of her anonymity, which led to intense media scrutiny, caused prejudice to Beale's defence.
In rejecting the appeal bid, Lady Justice Hallett said such directions usually applied to victims, not defendants, and that even if the judge had given guidance it would not have helped Beale.
The judges also dismissed an appeal by Beale against her sentence, saying hers was an "exceptional case".
'Lied to get money'
Lady Justice Hallett said that, as well as the men Beale falsely accused, the "system of justice" had suffered significant harm.
She added: "The total of 10 years, although stern, we are satisfied cannot be described as excessive."
The judge told the court that one of the men Beale accused of rape in 2010, Mahad Cassim, was tried twice and jailed for seven years.
His conviction was quashed by the Court of Appeal in 2015 after his defence team and the Crown Prosecution Service was alerted to serious doubts over Beale's allegations.
She had been awarded £11,000 by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority and had told a former girlfriend she had lied to get the money, the court heard.
Lady Justice Hallett said: "The idea that a woman could send an innocent man to prison for years solely so she could obtain compensation beggars belief."

6 & 9 over 3 years. Wow. Thought the police would have got suspicious earlier.

Well done for providing an example.

[lookout]

Why is it that so many different turns of events have been written over the years ? There are so many stories about the murders and how they happened that I'm sure many will have lost interest with the same old gumph being churned out.

To my mind, a re-trial should have taken place years ago with the release of all info. being held under PII as surely this would have been the final deciding factor in all of this.
 
I still believe in JB's innocence but the longer it now goes on the less the possibility of his release as it's one of those cases where, when you have no evidence whatsoever and no witnesses, it's an impossible task and to " err on the side of caution " doesn't justify the conviction and sentencing of---in this case---an innocent person. Since when have a family been allowed to run the gauntlet in a mass murder trial ?

[Rob_]

Why is it that so many different turns of events have been written over the years ? There are so many stories about the murders and how they happened that I'm sure many will have lost interest with the same old gumph being churned out.

To my mind, a re-trial should have taken place years ago with the release of all info. being held under PII as surely this would have been the final deciding factor in all of this.
 
I still believe in JB's innocence but the longer it now goes on the less the possibility of his release as it's one of those cases where, when you have no evidence whatsoever and no witnesses, it's an impossible task and to " err on the side of caution " doesn't justify the conviction and sentencing of---in this case---an innocent person. Since when have a family been allowed to run the gauntlet in a mass murder trial ?

It is much harder Lookout when the police deliberately destroy vital evidence like SC's nightdress which could have maybe solved this case with todays technology.

I expect someone will say this were another mistake like the many others in this case, but destroying SC's nightdress proves to me anyway that the police know JB is innocent and they are afraid what of what modern analysis would reveal.

[handymanz]

It is an undisputed fact Mugford was a pathological liar involved in numerous criminal activities. She was obsessed with Jeremy to the point she tried to smother him. There’s no doubt in my mind she was capable of carrying out this massive lie.

I think this is the vengefull way, women deal with rejection, more so than men who tend more to resort to violence.
"HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WOMAN SCORNED"

[JackieD]

Mugford stated that she wanted Jeremy dead 'so that he would always be with me' and admitted stabbing a teddy bear he had bought for her, smashing a mirror in fury that he dared to speak to another woman on the phone in her presence and she also stated that she tried to smother him with a pillow.

I don’t think there is any question that Mugford was capable of such a ‘big lie’

That argument is so week

It is on record that carried out the cheque book fraud deceiving numerous shop assistants

[Steve_uk]

Mugford stated that she wanted Jeremy dead 'so that he would always be with me' and admitted stabbing a teddy bear he had bought for her, smashing a mirror in fury that he dared to speak to another woman on the phone in her presence and she also stated that she tried to smother him with a pillow.

I don’t think there is any question that Mugford was capable of such a ‘big lie’

That argument is so week

It is on record that carried out the cheque book fraud deceiving numerous shop assistants

How did we get to know about these incidents?

[Adam]

It is much harder Lookout when the police deliberately destroy vital evidence like SC's nightdress which could have maybe solved this case with todays technology.

I expect someone will say this were another mistake like the many others in this case, but destroying SC's nightdress proves to me anyway that the police know JB is innocent and they are afraid what of what modern analysis would reveal.

Sheila's nightdress was tested and the evidence submitted at court. It was very damaging.

Do you believe there was an industrial frame. Involving the police, experts, courts, relatives, Julie & independent witnesses?

[Adam]

How did we get to know about these incidents?

There is no way Julie would dare perjure herself so seriously. In a loan attempt to frame a free man. A month after the massacre. Just because they split up. Too many massive disadvantages.

Besides which she knew too much information, which only Bamber would have given her.