The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[Roch]

Look at all the blood running down Sheilas nightdress (in multiple streams). The fabric has fallen back due to gravity after she fell back, but if you were to straighten the nightdress out, the blood streams would be in the same direction as her arm.

Even if you were correct, this does not directly relate to her wrist.  BTW you can see a couple of scabs on her arm further down.

[David1819]

So a stroke of luck then for Mick, Stan, Ann, David and Bobby, that Fletcher's innocent mistakes just happened to dovetail neatly with the prosecution case.

That's because Jeremy's defense never challenged the authenticity of silencer. His QC more or less tied his hands behind his back.

[David1819]

Even if you were correct, this does not directly relate to her wrist.  BTW you can see a couple of scabs on her arm further down.

They are dried up bloodstains on the surface of the skin. Furthermore what weapon is June supposed to have used to inflict these injuries after Sheila had already shot her five times while in bed?

[Adam]

They are dried up bloodstains on the surface of the skin. Furthermore what weapon is June supposed to have used to inflict these injuries after Sheila had already shot her five times while in bed?

'Sheila had already shot her five times while in bed'

Was that while Nevill was ringing Jeremy?

[Roch]

They are dried up bloodstains on the surface of the skin. Furthermore what weapon is June supposed to have used to inflict these injuries after Sheila had already shot her five times while in bed?

I'm not sure whether you are different, but when blood drips on to my skin, it doesn't form a scab.

As you are already aware, not everyone buys the shot five times in bed narrative. You are repeating the narrative of Ainsley and co, explicitly designed to put JB in prison.

[Adam]

I'm not sure whether you are different, but when blood drips on to my skin, it doesn't form a scab.

As you are already aware, not everyone buys the shot five times in bed narrative. You are repeating the narrative of Ainsley and co, explicitly designed to put JB in prison.

'not everyone buys the shot five times in bed narrative'

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That is what the evidence is. Photographs do show June's side of the bed blood-stained. She was sleeping while shot so spent a long time in bed bleeding before managing to crawl a few feet.

Where do you believe June got her first 5 shots.

[Roch]

'not everyone buys the shot five times in bed narrative'

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That is what the evidence is. Photographs do show June's side of the bed blood-stained. She was sleeping while shot so spent a long time in bed bleeding before managing to crawl a few feet.

Where do you believe June got her first 5 shots.

Nobody knows the true, exact sequence of events. Nobody knows how many times June was on and off the bed, nor whether an earlier struggle had occurred as a precursor to the tragedy. I have been involved in flare ups and witnessed other people involved in flare ups. There are often lulls in-between and the final incident, the culmination, is often the worst. The marks on all three adults tell a different narrative to the one presented at court. I'm sorry if certain posters do not like that or cannot comprehend it. I believe this is because they fail to understand that the evidence was controlled in order to obtain a conviction. It's as simple as that.

[Adam]

Nobody knows the true, exact sequence of events. Nobody knows how many times June was on and off the bed, nor whether an earlier struggle had occurred as a precursor to the tragedy. I have been involved in flare ups and witnessed other people involved in flare ups. There are often lulls in-between and the final incident, the culmination, is often the worst. The marks on all three adults tell a different narrative to the one presented at court. I'm sorry if certain posters do not like that or cannot comprehend it. I believe this is because they fail to understand that the evidence was controlled in order to obtain a conviction. It's as simple as that.

June would have a good chance of winning a struggle with Sheila. She could also shout out to Nevill, if for some reason he was not in the room. For an awake June to be shot 5 times in bed, in different specifically chosen locations, she would have had to have been asleep.

[lookout]

June would have a good chance of winning a struggle with Sheila. She could also shout out to Nevill, if for some reason he was not in the room. For an awake June to be shot 5 times in bed, in different specifically chosen locations, she would have had to have been asleep.

June would have been well asleep after having been shot 5 times in bed---so why was she found on the floor and not in bed ?

[David1819]

Nobody knows the true, exact sequence of events. Nobody knows how many times June was on and off the bed, nor whether an earlier struggle had occurred as a precursor to the tragedy. I have been involved in flare ups and witnessed other people involved in flare ups. There are often lulls in-between and the final incident, the culmination, is often the worst. The marks on all three adults tell a different narrative to the one presented at court. I'm sorry if certain posters do not like that or cannot comprehend it. I believe this is because they fail to understand that the evidence was controlled in order to obtain a conviction. It's as simple as that.

The reason nobody is buying into Bill and yours conspiracy theory is because it the crime scene photos clearly show whats on Sheila's arm is blood spatter from her neck wound.

Are you saying you believe the CS photos have been edited to make Sheila's 'wounds' look like streams of bloodstains on the surface of her skin?

[David1819]

As you are already aware, not everyone buys the shot five times in bed narrative. You are repeating the narrative of Ainsley and co, explicitly designed to put JB in prison.

So this photo of Junes side of the bed covered in her blood with a bullet hole in her pillow is a fake explicitly designed by Ainsley and co ?

[Roch]

I will reply to your posts later. You obviously haven't read mine properly.

[guest29835]

So this photo of Junes side of the bed covered in her blood with a bullet hole in her pillow is a fake explicitly designed by Ainsley and co ?

No blood is visible in that image on what we assume is Nevill's side of the bed.  Adam assumes Nevill was shot in the bedroom, but I am very sceptical.

Is that another duvet on the left hand side on the floor?

Also, the design of the lamp on the right-hand side of the photo.  Looks very sinister.  What's that all about?

Whose was the pink cuddly toy (looks like an elephant)?  (If you look very closely, there may be a brown teddy bear visible next to it too).  Did the parents always have that in bed with them?  Seems strange to me.  Doesn't seem to fit how we think of June.

At a guess, and if I didn't know better, I would say the cuddly toy is the twins' and it's there because sometimes they would want to go in the bed with one or both parents, but were they emotionally- and physically close to June?  Seems a bit incongruous, given what we know about her. 

Maybe Nevill used it and the twins would sit propped up in the bed next to him while he read them a bedtime story?

Or maybe it's Sheila's and she slept in the bed sometimes when Nevill was sleeping downstairs or in the upstairs office perhaps?  But would she sleep in the same bed as June?  Again, seems not to fit with what we know.  I think there was a strong paternal bond, but Sheila was in her late 20s at this point, so surely that can be ruled out.

[David1819]

No blood is visible in that image on what we assume is Nevill's side of the bed.  Adam assumes Nevill was shot in the bedroom, but I am very sceptical.

Is that another duvet on the left hand side on the floor?

Also, the design of the lamp on the right-hand side of the photo.  Looks very sinister.  What's that all about?

Whose was the pink cuddly toy (looks like an elephant)?  (If you look very closely, there may be a brown teddy bear visible next to it too).  Did the parents always have that in bed with them?  Seems strange to me.  Doesn't seem to fit how we think of June.

At a guess, and if I didn't know better, I would say the cuddly toy is the twins' and it's there because sometimes they would want to go in the bed with one or both parents, but were they emotionally- and physically close to June?  Seems a bit incongruous, given what we know about her. 

Maybe Nevill used it and the twins would sit propped up in the bed next to him while he read them a bedtime story?

Or maybe it's Sheila's and she slept in the bed sometimes when Nevill was sleeping downstairs or in the upstairs office perhaps?  But would she sleep in the same bed as June?  Again, seems not to fit with what we know.  I think there was a strong paternal bond, but Sheila was in her late 20s at this point, so surely that can be ruled out.

Adam thinks Nevil somehow contained the blood from his wounds as he ran across the bedroom to spill it all outside on the landing and stairs.

BTW if you fancy chuckle read this

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6086.0.html

[Adam]

No blood is visible in that image on what we assume is Nevill's side of the bed.  Adam assumes Nevill was shot in the bedroom, but I am very sceptical.

Is that another duvet on the left hand side on the floor?

Also, the design of the lamp on the right-hand side of the photo.  Looks very sinister.  What's that all about?

Whose was the pink cuddly toy (looks like an elephant)?  (If you look very closely, there may be a brown teddy bear visible next to it too).  Did the parents always have that in bed with them?  Seems strange to me.  Doesn't seem to fit how we think of June.

At a guess, and if I didn't know better, I would say the cuddly toy is the twins' and it's there because sometimes they would want to go in the bed with one or both parents, but were they emotionally- and physically close to June?  Seems a bit incongruous, given what we know about her. 

Maybe Nevill used it and the twins would sit propped up in the bed next to him while he read them a bedtime story?

Or maybe it's Sheila's and she slept in the bed sometimes when Nevill was sleeping downstairs or in the upstairs office perhaps?  But would she sleep in the same bed as June?  Again, seems not to fit with what we know.  I think there was a strong paternal bond, but Sheila was in her late 20s at this point, so surely that can be ruled out.

I am going by the bullet allocation evidence.