The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[guest29835]

You mean like you calling me "thick", and oh if I'm a teacher I must be a P. E. teacher mustn't I because I'm a member of this site. By the way, I think you might well be joining the dementia club sooner rather than later, given the fundamental inconsistencies you have shown concerning the Jeremy Bamber case discussion.

Attacks, if made, that were in response to your constant provocations.  You are the cause of the problems.

Your attitude is appalling.

Inconsistencies are not contradictions, and anybody who thinks about things and takes a neutral view, will show inconsistencies.  I also find that much of the time, you accuse me of inconsistencies when all I am doing is being fair or I am putting forward a subtle position which you have difficulty understanding because of your biased, prejudiced, one-eyed approach to everything.

Must we go over your mistakes again?  They have been enumerated at length and it's embarrassing.  You rush in to correct people because your background as a teacher has left you with a supercilious mental attitude.  You forget that we are educated people as well - even if it's just in the University of Life.  And some of us are very well read in our right.

[Adam]

Yes, this was naturally " all about Jeremy " for obvious reasons but sadly the court were told very little about Sheila who can't remain blameless.
One part of a post-mortem record showed that " We might therefore conclude that the ingestion of Sheila's medication was unmonitored : posing an increasing probability of risk of uncontrolled frenzied behaviour ".

Were the jury ever told about Sheila's life at all ?

Yes Sheila was barely mentioned during the long trial. Although she was one of two suspects and couldn't defend herself.

[lookout]

Yes Sheila was barely mentioned during the long trial. Although she was one of two suspects and couldn't defend herself.

It matters not whether a person can't defend themselves when it happens to be a case of murder where one man is left standing. Talk about the easy way out 

[guest29835]

Yes Sheila was barely mentioned during the long trial. Although she was one of two suspects and couldn't defend herself.

Then what would you have proposed that an innocent Jeremy do differently?  The accused must respond to the case brought, if he decides to respond at all.  It was the prosecution, not the defence, that called Colin as a witness, even though he had no knowledge of the incident.  If Jeremy had mentioned Sheila more (which he probably should have), you would be complaining about that. 

[JackieD]

Well Barbara Wilson did testify that in the spring of 1985 Sheila had told her that "the devil was after her" but her condition had improved by the time of the August stay.

Course it had.

It had improved so much that Colin on learning of Sheilas death was convinced she had committed suicide and Colin was one of the last people to spend time with Sheila on the long drive to WHF where he dumped her

It is a fact Steve this proves you are thick

[Adam]

Then what would you have proposed that an innocent Jeremy do differently?  The accused must respond to the case brought, if he decides to respond at all.  It was the prosecution, not the defence, that called Colin as a witness, even though he had no knowledge of the incident.  If Jeremy had mentioned Sheila more (which he probably should have), you would be complaining about that.

I was not being serious.

Of course the defence massively focused on Sheila during the whole trial.

[Steve_uk]

Course it had.

It had improved so much that Colin on learning of Sheilas death was convinced she had committed suicide and Colin was one of the last people to spend time with Sheila on the long drive to WHF where he dumped her

It is a fact Steve this proves you are thick

They are not facts, and not even written in sentences, as is your wont.

[guest29835]

I was not being serious.

Of course the defence massively focused on Sheila during the whole trial.

Thanks Adam. 

[David1819]

That's because I can't quite comprehend your 'points' within the context of the two seperate individuals' specific blood trails / wounds.  Your explanations seem convoluted, at the expense of accepting far simpler explanations.

What is convoluted about it? Blood dripped on June's legs the same way it dripped on the carpet.

Blood spilled on Sheila's arm the same way it got on her night dress.

It does not get any simpler then that.

[JackieD]

They are not facts, and not even written in sentences, as is your wont.

Maybe you would like to inform all the forum members what Colin said when he was told by the police Sheila was dead???

Before Sheilas death Colin spent more one to one time with her than anyone else.

[Steve_uk]

Maybe you would like to inform all the forum members what Colin said when he was told by the police Sheila was dead???

Before Sheilas death Colin spent more one to one time with her than anyone else.

Well on the latter point make your mind up whether Colin abandoned Sheila or not. As far as Colin's doorstep remarks are concerned this was a gut reaction and unsurprising from what we know subsequently,  that she seemed to have discussed suicide with quite a number of people around her.

[Roch]

What is convoluted about it? Blood dripped on June's legs the same way it dripped on the carpet.

Blood spilled on Sheila's arm the same way it got on her night dress.

It does not get any simpler then that.

So as she walked, wet blood dripped on to June's shin and immediately congealed as bar shapes, ie horizontal?

As for Sheila, what exactly do you mean 'blood spilled on Sheila's arm the same way it got on to her night dress'?

[JackieD]

Well Barbara Wilson did testify that in the spring of 1985 Sheila had told her that "the devil was after her" but her condition had improved by the time of the August stay.

You clearly come on this forum to disrupt the threads and you constantly make disgusting comments about the people posting

I couldn’t give a toss if you are having sex with Mugford or your her son because you think her behaviour is defendable but I am interested in getting to the truth in this case.

You need to post facts showing how Sheilas condition had improved just before the murders? You also need to give a reason as to why you think Colins remarks to the police regarding Sheilas death are not important

It is clear from Colins comments to police that Sheila had contemplated suicide a number of yet. Although Colin has tried to distance himself many times from any blame regarding Sheilas mental health there was clear prove that he dumped/dropped Sheila off at WHF when she was in a bad place mentally. Colin knew she hated WHF.

The facts are not in dispute unless you can prove otherwise.

[lookout]

Sheila had been so fixated on the Devil that she finally acted out his work. She'd have seen everyone possessed that night so did something about it. The King James Bible is all about driving out Demons .

An example of how a person can be drawn into the work of the Devil can be read in the case of the Ossett Murder of 1974 when a pleasant and mild-mannered man turned into an horrific murderer who'd thought that his wife had been possessed by Demons. He'd had no recollection of what he'd done as he'd been " under the influences of supernatural forces " and gave nor explanation whilst on trial.

His defence answered by saying that existing mental health issues had created a potent mind-controlling indoctrination of a religious cult when the man went to be exorcised by a group belonging to the Christian Fellowship. The Prayer Group had pushed the man over the edge with their warped religious ideals and beliefs.

He was sent to Broadmoor for 2 years then another 2 years at an Infirmary to which he'd be released from-----cured !?

[JackieD]

I have noticed that Kay the person who made the podcast on Brett Collins is a member of the Red Forum and posts there

It seems Kay believes Jeremy is guilty.

What is clear in the podcast is that Brett Collins states he had no knowledge of any nude photos and was very close to Jeremy at the time.

It would be nice to hear Gringos take on this

Even weirder that this Kay would choose to go on the Red forum where they allow members like Tim who is a racist and the forum that’s already been shut down because of bad behaviour.