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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2020, 02:32:PM »
To me the gun case is different to the gun cupboard.  So the gun with the silencer may not fit in the case, but it could fit into the cupboard OK.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2020, 02:40:PM »
So, which gun/rifle was used to shoot Sheila ? The one with a piece missing----or one without ?

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2020, 03:34:PM »
To me the gun case is different to the gun cupboard.  So the gun with the silencer may not fit in the case, but it could fit into the cupboard OK.

We know it does fit, because we have the photo (above), but Anthony Pargeter says 'easily', implying that Jeremy would do this routinely.  Yet I can't see how you could fit the rifle with silencer attached in the cupboard in this way without some effort, including kneeling down, tilting the barrel at a 45-degree angle, before pushing it upwards into place.  You would then have to reverse this process to remove the rifle, which I would think must have been awkward.  The difficulty would be exacerbated if the small table with the radio on was nearby, as this would limit the extent to which one could open the veneer door.  Bear in mind also that there would be other guns and boxes in there while this is being done.

Wouldn't it be easier, and more natural, to unscrew the silencer, then lean the rifle at the side within the cupboard and place the silencer in a box?

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2020, 06:09:PM »
If the gun cupboard was not lockable, Bamber did not need to leave the rifle anywhere. He could just collect it from the gun cupboard.

Although he would have wanted to make sure it was loaded with the silencer attached. Once through the bathroom window, he would not have wanted to hang about.
He probably left it in the barn and collected it before entering the Farm.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2020, 06:17:PM »
It could be argued, with the twins visiting the farm, it would be sensible to tuck the guns away safely rather than leave them out, as seemed to be the custom. This would explain removing the silencer/moderator at this juncture.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2020, 06:36:PM »
It could be argued, with the twins visiting the farm, it would be sensible to tuck the guns away safely rather than leave them out, as seemed to be the custom. This would explain removing the silencer/moderator at this juncture.





Nevill could well have been doing that very thing before putting them away. Sheila could then have picked up the " Naked Gun " ?

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2020, 07:38:PM »
Why were so few fingerprints found on the murder weapon?

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2020, 07:42:PM »
Why were so few fingerprints found on the murder weapon?

Have you ever wondered what was in the original SC case file?  I sometimes wonder whether there was a wealth of evidence regarding Sheila's culpability. 

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2020, 07:49:PM »
Have you ever wondered what was in the original SC case file?  I sometimes wonder whether there was a wealth of evidence regarding Sheila's culpability.





I've often thought that myself.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2020, 08:20:PM »
Have you ever wondered what was in the original SC case file?  I sometimes wonder whether there was a wealth of evidence regarding Sheila's culpability.
..or maybe it was true what Julie said, that after the fight with Nevill Jeremy wiped the gun down.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2020, 08:39:PM »
Why were so few fingerprints found on the murder weapon?

Not surprising.  They were likely to be smudged.  People often do not realise how difficult it can be to obtain fingerprint evidence.

 

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2020, 08:47:PM »
..or maybe it was true what Julie said, that after the fight with Nevill Jeremy wiped the gun down.

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid a murderer Jeremy was. What on earth was he doing, effectively providing the police with a convenient, trial-ready explanation.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2020, 08:50:PM »
Not surprising.  They were likely to be smudged.  People often do not realise how difficult it can be to obtain fingerprint evidence.

 
Were we told how many were smudged? DI Cook told us there was one print lifted from Jeremy Bamber's right forefinger on the butt and one from Sheila's right-hand ring finger. (Blood Relations Chapter 27)

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2020, 08:53:PM »
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid a murderer Jeremy was. What on earth was he doing, effectively providing the police with a convenient, trial-ready explanation.
..because his experience of intelligent women hitherto had been limited, to say the least.