Why Nevill would instantly negate Sheila while fully fit:

[Adam]

Yes, I remember you telling us all about how Nevill was shot in his sleep, but still manages to get out of bed without leaving any trace of blood on the bed, get shot three more times, still leaving no blood, and make it downstairs to the kitchen.

Thanks Adam.

And I remember you saying there was no blood on the stairs. Although you have no source.

Then say there were weapons in the wash room. With no source.

Then say Bamber would have bled Nevill's blood onto the safe carpet. With no source.

Thanks QC.

[lookout]

Nobody can tell me that anyone who'd attacked Sheila's children wouldn't have been marked in some way as she tried to protect them. She wasn't that doped up with medication. Nobody would have left that farmhouse unscathed !

[Adam]

Supporters need to keep to the obvious.

Every father, husband, grandfather & head of family would instantly and automatically attempt to negate a situation while fully fit. One hundred times out of one hundred.

This was espescially the case with Nevill as Sheila would be easy to negate.

[Adam]

Nobody can tell me that anyone who'd attacked Sheila's children wouldn't have been marked in some way as she tried to protect them. She wasn't that doped up with medication. Nobody would have left that farmhouse unscathed !

Sheila was asleep when Bamber shot the twins.

[Steve_uk]

Nobody can tell me that anyone who'd attacked Sheila's children wouldn't have been marked in some way as she tried to protect them. She wasn't that doped up with medication. Nobody would have left that farmhouse unscathed !

Did you read of this case this morning lookout? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/missing-boy-7-found-drowned-at-home-alongside-dead-mother/ar-BB18sfMK?ocid=msedgntp

[Adam]

QC is trying to deflect the thread. Which is fine. There is no possibility Nevill would have rang Bamber while fully fit.

[Adam]

There were only two things Nevill would have seen when Sheila held the rifle -

She was aggressive and may use it.

She was passive & not threatening.

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Either situation Nevill would instantly reclaim his rifle. The thread post has 24 reasons why.

[guest29835]

And I remember you saying there was no blood on the stairs. Although you have no source.

My source is the evidence recovered by the police, which says there was no significant blood on the stairs.  Your position on this point is completely idiotic because you're asking me to produce a source for something that wasn't there.  The source itself, the police SOC team, tell us, by a process of omission, that it wasn't there.

Then say there were weapons in the wash room. With no source.

See page 8 of David Boutflour's first statement to the police. 

Then say Bamber would have bled Nevill's blood onto the safe carpet. With no source.

What is the 'safe carpet'?  I have never mentioned such a thing.

What I have said is that Jeremy, if the killer, must have left blood traces in the back hallway and in the den and the gun cupboard, and I am also surprised that the silencer, if blooded, did not leave blood traces in the cardboard box in which it was found at a 45-degree angle.

Thanks QC.

I should think you are thanking me.  How long have you been posting to this Forum?  How many posts have you clocked up?

[guest29835]

QC is trying to deflect the thread. Which is fine. There is no possibility Nevill would have rang Bamber while fully fit.

How am I trying to deflect the thread?  My first post deals directly with yours.  It seems to me the only person deflecting the thread is yourself.

[Adam]

With a fully fit Nevill making a straight forward reclaim of the rifle. That is the end of the issue for supporters. Nevill ringing Bamber is the strangest suggestion I have ever heard.

The focus is then on the straight forward Bamber scenario. Supporters have spent 35 years trying to put up obsacles for this. All easily overcome, as my recent thread showed.

[Adam]

How am I trying to deflect the thread?  My first post deals directly with yours.  It seems to me the only person deflecting the thread is yourself.

Sorry I have just seen it.

I only noticed reply 11. Which was deflection.

[guest29835]

With a fully fit Nevill making a straight forward reclaim of the rifle. That is the end of the issue for supporters. Nevill ringing Bamber is the strangest suggestion I have ever heard.

The focus is then on the straight forward Bamber scenario. Supporters have spent 35 years trying to put up obsacles for this. All easily overcome, as my recent thread showed.

This is idiotic and it's pointless continuing.

[guest29835]

Sorry I have just seen it.

I only noticed reply 11. Which was deflection.

But my reply #11 wasn't a deflection.  It was a direct reply to your assertion that Nevill was not fully alert in a Jeremy scenario.  I am pointing out how you want it both ways to suit your entrenched biases.

[Adam]

Why is that far-fetched?  First, why would he need to do any laundry when there was blood everywhere anyway?  It so happens that the blooded sheets were burned by the police later that same day or the day after. 

And I didn't necessarily say that is how he did it.  I said that is how he would have done it if he had planned things out properly, the reason being that he needed to ensure that he shot her in the correct way. 

I notice, by the way, that guilters like you always have difficulty explaining what Sheila was doing during the incident and how Jeremy managed to subdue her and kill her, supposedly without inflicting so much as a cut, bruise or scratch on her.

Thanks Steve.

I have also said Bamber may have shot Sheila once in her bed. Then carried her a few feet to the main bedroom.

Bamber was easily strong enough to do this.

There would be no time for blood to fall onto Sheila's bed.

[Adam]

But my reply #11 wasn't a deflection.  It was a direct reply to your assertion that Nevill was not fully alert in a Jeremy scenario.  I am pointing out how you want it both ways to suit your entrenched biases.

As previously said, Nevill & June were asleep when Bamber entered the main bedroom.

Nevill woke as Bamber opened fire on June. Bamber was still able to get two close range shots into Nevill's face as he started moving.

Once out of bed Nevill was fully alert. But had now been shot 4 times & was under attack by a fit young man.