Suggested reasons the straight forward Bamber scenario does not work:

[guest7363]

Churches, like all organizations, are about the people, not the building. There are some who live their faith and it shines from them as if they're lit from within. Sadly, there are also the hypocrites who hide behind a pretence of faith.

Oh yes Jane, I hope the Lord is forgiving, I’m ok, I think he loves me as I am 😂😂😂

[lookout]

And someone's looking after me 

[Jane]

And someone's looking after me 

Yeeeehh! They surely are

[guest7363]

And someone's looking after me 

👍👍👍

[JackieD]

You couldn't blame anyone for thinking he is self-satirizing.

I know he or she is completely bizarre but always wrong

He or she cannot bring himself to answer the question on Suzy

[JackieD]

You mean like your moving image of Tom Cruise, when you probably look like Arthur Mullard's son on Ritalin.

He might be better looking than Tom Cruise

[Caroline]

Churches, like all organizations, are about the people, not the building. There are some who live their faith and it shines from them as if they're lit from within. Sadly, there are also the hypocrites who hide behind a pretence of faith.

Yeah, lots of the latter (in my experience) - they think being part of the church allows them to judge others and tend to be less tolerant.

[Jane]

Yeah, lots of the latter (in my experience) - they think being part of the church allows them to judge others and tend to be less tolerant.

Holier than, and superior to, thou,............... and thou, too.

[Caroline]

Holier than, and superior to, thou,............... and thou, too.

Thou shalt not (but it's OK for me  ).

[Roch]

Arthur Mullard

Not to be confused with Arthur English.

[Steve_uk]

I know he or she is completely bizarre but always wrong

He or she cannot bring himself to answer the question on Suzy

I highlighted your yes or no ultimatum in bold and answered the question.

[JackieD]

I highlighted your yes or no ultimatum in bold and answered the question.

No you didn’t, I wanted a yes or no not your usual crap where you make stuff up. You must go to bed and think what shit can I post tomorrow to draw the attention away from your mortuary loving best friend Gypsy Rose Lee. Still it’s something any students she still has any contact with can have a good laugh at

The facts are

Jeremy liked farming and got on well with his father.  So you can delete any hearsay false information you have posted about those two bits of knowledge

[Steve_uk]

No you didn’t, I wanted a yes or no not your usual crap where you make stuff up. You must go to bed and think what shit can I post tomorrow to draw the attention away from your mortuary loving best friend Gypsy Rose Lee. Still it’s something any students she still has any contact with can have a good laugh at

The facts are

Jeremy liked farming and got on well with his father.  So you can delete any hearsay false information you have posted about those two bits of knowledge

I answered the question in #61 and will let other members be the judge. As for your second statement which I have highlighted it's quite evident to me that Jeremy tried everything to escape the farming lifestyle which his parents had mapped out for him, including working at Little Chef and Sloppy Joe's, trying to get on a scuba diving course and embarking on two round the world trips. When the funds dried up he returned to White House Farm, got wind of the terms of his father's will and buckled down to farming for the last couple of years of five people's existence, before he snuffed them out. This was probably the period that your friend Warwick Hislop became acquainted with him. I would ask both him and yourself to read the statements of four independent witnesses: John Seward, Nevill's confidant, who reported that Jeremy drove his father to tears through his erratic behaviour, Len Foakes, to whom Jeremy confided that "if anything happened I would just pack it all in and sell up",  Michael Deckers, to whom Jeremy stated in Autumn 1984 that "if the Farm burned down at Christmas everything would be mine" and James Richards, to whom he exclaimed: "I hate my f***ing parents."

[Adam]

From what I recall. In no particular order -

Bamber didn't catch & physically attack Nevill on the stairs.

Sheila may have woken.

Sheila may have fought back.

Nevill did not dial 999.

Nevill's blood was not by the gun cupboard (no source).

Crispy may have barked.

Someone may have seen Bamber cycle to WHF.

Nevill's blood was not on the stairs (no source).

Nevill did not head for the guns in the wash room (no source any were there)

Bamber had no visible injuries.

There was no blood on Nevill's side of the bed.

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All these have been easily be explained away.

Bamber would not be worried about Sheila maybe waking & fighting back. Crispy was not a guard dog & needed his sleep, whereever he was.

Going back to the thread post. No one has added to the list. So these are the main objections to the Bamber scenario, which matched the evidence.

I'll answer each one.

[JackieD]

I answered the question in #61 and will let other members be the judge. As for your second statement which I have highlighted it's quite evident to me that Jeremy tried everything to escape the farming lifestyle which his parents had mapped out for him, including working at Little Chef and Sloppy Joe's, trying to get on a scuba diving course and embarking on two round the world trips. When the funds dried up he returned to White House Farm, got wind of the terms of his father's will and buckled down to farming for the last couple of years of five people's existence, before he snuffed them out. This was probably the period that your friend Warwick Hislop became acquainted with him. I would ask both him and yourself to read the statements of four independent witnesses: John Seward, Nevill's confidant, who reported that Jeremy drove his father to tears through his erratic behaviour, Len Foakes, to whom Jeremy confided that "if anything happened I would just pack it all in and sell up",  Michael Deckers, to whom Jeremy stated in Autumn 1984 that "if the Farm burned down at Christmas everything would be mine" and James Richards, to whom he exclaimed: "I hate my f***ing parents."

You ignore the facts Suzy lived with so knew him inside out and she had no reason to lie about anything and she was not known for her dishonesty

Mugford did not live with Jeremy and was known to be a prolific liar

None of the other people you mention lived with Jeremy either and you ignore testimonials from people who knew Jeremy before the murders
So unfortunately you have made yourself look stupid again
As you mention Warwick again you are fully aware he worked alongside Neville and Jeremy