Suggested reasons the straight forward Bamber scenario does not work:

[Adam]

From what I recall. In no particular order -

Bamber didn't catch & physically attack Nevill on the stairs.

Sheila may have woken.

Sheila may have fought back.

Nevill did not dial 999.

Nevill's blood was not by the gun cupboard (no source).

Crispy may have barked.

Someone may have seen Bamber cycle to WHF.

Nevill's blood was not on the stairs (no source).

Nevill did not head for the guns in the wash room (no source any were there)

Bamber had no visible injuries.

There was no blood on Nevill's side of the bed.

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All these have been easily be explained away.

Bamber would not be worried about Sheila maybe waking & fighting back. Crispy was not a guard dog & needed his sleep, whereever he was.

[Adam]

Let me know if I forgotten anything & I will add.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10313.msg481453.html#msg481453

Scenario matching the evidence is in reply 10. No 'could haves'.

[guest29835]

The straight-forward scenario is Sheila did it.

The more complex scenario involves Jeremy.

[Adam]

Bamber would be aware whether Crispy makes a big fuss when there is night noise inside WHF. Or whether he just slept. As well as where he slept.

He would not expect Sheila to wake prior to her shot. Espescially as he was not expecting the kitchen fight. He could easily control her anyway.

[guest29835]

Bamber would be aware whether Crispy makes a big fuss when there is night noise inside WHF. Or whether he just slept. As well as where he slept.

He would not expect Sheila to wake prior to her shot. Espescially as he was not expecting the kitchen fight. He could easily control her anyway.

I thought Crispy was in on it and that's why he didn't bark.  Oh well, back to the drawing board!  Thanks Adam

[Adam]

I thought Crispy was in on it and that's why he didn't bark.  Oh well, back to the drawing board!  Thanks Adam

Would be good to see a source of where he usually slept.

WHF was big enough for him to have a kennal in a small room. Or he could have slept with June & Nevill.

Either way, he was behind closed doors.

[Adam]

From what I recall. In no particular order -

Bamber didn't catch & physically attack Nevill on the stairs.

Sheila may have woken.

Sheila may have fought back.

Nevill did not dial 999.

Nevill's blood was not by the gun cupboard (no source).

Crispy may have barked.

Someone may have seen Bamber cycle to WHF.

Nevill's blood was not on the stairs (no source).

Nevill did not head for the guns in the wash room (no source any were there)

Bamber had no visible injuries.

There was no blood on Nevill's side of the bed.

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All these have been easily be explained away.

Bamber would not be worried about Sheila maybe waking & fighting back. Crispy was not a guard dog & needed his sleep, whereever he was.

The only things that Bamber may have considered beforehand would be -

Maybe being seen cycling to/from WHF.

Crispy maybe barking.

Sheila maybe putting up minimal resistance when being moved a few feet.

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These possibilities would not be enough to deter him.

The other things have been brought up by other people after the event.

[guest29835]

The only things that Bamber may have considered beforehand would be -

Maybe being seen cycling to/from WHF.

Crispy maybe barking.

Sheila maybe putting up minimal resistance when being moved a few feet.

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These possibilities would not be enough to deter him.

The other things have been brought up by other people after the event.

I agree that's no biggie.  He could just say he's out taking exercise.

Thanks Adam.

[Adam]

I agree that's no biggie.  He could just say he's out taking exercise.

Thanks Adam.

If he thinks he's been seen, he can simply not go ahead. Unless on the way back.

There was no chance of him being seen at that time of night on the footpaths. Espescially using June's bike to reduce the amount of travelling time.

[guest29835]

If he thinks he's been seen, he can simply not go ahead. Unless on the way back.

There was no chance of him being seen at that time of night on the footpaths. Espescially using June's bike to reduce the amount of travelling time.

I suppose if he was seen on the way back, he could have just said that he was a cycling enthusiast and was training for the Tour de Yorkshire.  I expect the court would have believed him.

One for the CCRC.  Thanks Adam.

[Adam]

I suppose if he was seen on the way back, he could have just said that he was a cycling enthusiast and was training for the Tour de Yorkshire.  I expect the court would have believed him.

One for the CCRC.  Thanks Adam.

I don't believe he would do that. If he saw someone in the distance, he would try to hide. But no chance of seeing anyone in that location at that time.

Thanks QC.

[Adam]

I suppose if he was seen on the way back, he could have just said that he was a cycling enthusiast and was training for the Tour de Yorkshire.  I expect the court would have believed him.

One for the CCRC.  Thanks Adam.

Do you believe it is a coincidence that Bamber brought over June's bike just before the massacre?

[guest29835]

I don't believe he would do that. If he saw someone in the distance, he would try to hide. But no chance of seeing anyone in that location at that time.

Thanks QC.

No problem, Adam, glad to be of help. 

You've got to admire Jeremy's pluck.  I mean, he's out there with no lights (can't be seen, remember) and he only has to run into one person or be seen just once, and his plan is blown.  Mind you, my excuse of training for the Tour de Yorkshire probably would have stood him in good stead and impressed Geoffrey Rivlin, who was from Yorkshire.  Jeremy thinks ahead.

Do you think the court would have believed it, Adam?  Bear in mind here that Geoffrey had a Yorkshire accent too, so that would have made it sound more convincing.

Do you believe it is a coincidence that Bamber brought over June's bike just before the massacre?

You make a good point there, Adam.  Borrowing June's bike is a sure sign of guilt.  To be honest, I'm surprised he didn't just plead Guilty in the face of that compelling evidence.

Thanks Adam, you've cleared it all up for me.  There won't be any back-pedalling from me, I can tell you!

[Adam]

No problem, Adam, glad to be of help. 

You've got to admire Jeremy's pluck.  I mean, he's out there with no lights (can't be seen, remember) and he only has to run into one person or be seen just once, and his plan is blown.  Mind you, my excuse of training for the Tour de Yorkshire probably would have stood him in good stead and impressed Geoffrey Rivlin, who was from Yorkshire.  Jeremy thinks ahead.

Do you think the court would have believed it, Adam?  Bear in mind here that Geoffrey had a Yorkshire accent too, so that would have made it sound more convincing.

You make a good point there, Adam.  Borrowing June's bike is a sure sign of guilt.  To be honest, I'm surprised he didn't just plead Guilty in face of that compelling evidence.

Thanks Adam.

I asked you if you thought it was one of the 'curious coincidences' the judge mentioned.

Answer the questions.