Did Colin Caffell Contribute To Sheila's Schizophrenia?

[Jane]

I think most women would have divorced him, except the obvious mug who remains married to him.
I wonder why Heather gave up ?

It was a hurried and wrong from the start marriage which, like THOUSANDS of other, hit the skids. I'm willing to bet that had she lost the baby which was forcing their marriage, they probably would never have married. I fail to see why Colin should be castigated. Sheila was half of the unsuitable coupling.

[lookout]

It was a hurried and wrong from the start marriage which, like THOUSANDS of other, hit the skids. I'm willing to bet that had she lost the baby which was forcing their marriage, they probably would never have married. I fail to see why Colin should be castigated. Sheila was half of the unsuitable coupling.

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6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Neither were suited to each other, simple as that. Her mother had forced the issue, sadly

[Jane]

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6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Neither were suited to each other, simple as that. Her mother had forced the issue, sadly

Exactly. Neither should take the lion's share of blame. Okay, Colin COULD have used contraception but what's the betting that Sheila was desperate to become pregnant or she'd have taken precautions.

[lookout]

Exactly. Neither should take the lion's share of blame. Okay, Colin COULD have used contraception but what's the betting that Sheila was desperate to become pregnant or she'd have taken precautions.

I understood that she was fitted with an IUD device so pregnancy would have proved difficult.

[Jane]

I understood that she was fitted with an IUD device so pregnancy would have proved difficult.

Yes, she was at the time of her death, but she'd been apart from Colin for years by then. She obviously wasn't protecting herself from getting pregnant with him.

[lookout]

Yes, she was at the time of her death, but she'd been apart from Colin for years by then. She obviously wasn't protecting herself from getting pregnant with him.

And yet seemingly, it was something which she'd wanted ? Her way of wanting to guarantee that Colin would have stayed with her if he'd thought another child was on the way ? To trap him.

[Jane]

And yet seemingly, it was something which she'd wanted ? Her way of wanting to guarantee that Colin would have stayed with her if he'd thought another child was on the way ? To trap him.

She was counting her chickens if that was the case. He was no longer sharing her bed, but as a single woman she was wise to make sure she was protected. She can't have been unaware of how difficult had been her pregnancies, or how difficult was motherhood. Just a thought, it seems possible that both she and June may have wanted babies for entirely wrong reasons.

[lookout]

She was counting her chickens if that was the case. He was no longer sharing her bed, but as a single woman she was wise to make sure she was protected. She can't have been unaware of how difficult had been her pregnancies, or how difficult was motherhood. Just a thought, it seems possible that both she and June may have wanted babies for entirely wrong reasons.

Doesn't it also tell you that she was a " schemer " too ? Wanting another child under such circumstances, for her own ends ? So there was nothing stopping her from carrying out the murders because things weren't going her way and there was little hope that they ever would ? She would also have known that it wouldn't be done if she'd been drugged up to the hilt with prescription drugs which is why she'd asked for a reduction.

[Jane]

Doesn't it also tell you that she was a " schemer " too ? Wanting another child under such circumstances, for her own ends ? So there was nothing stopping her from carrying out the murders because things weren't going her way and there was little hope that they ever would ? She would also have known that it wouldn't be done if she'd been drugged up to the hilt with prescription drugs which is why she'd asked for a reduction.

Another persona? She was smart, quick thinking, scheming, determined to get what she wanted, no matter the cost to others. Even managed to play sane so her drugs were reduced and she could carry out her plan to murder her family? Is that really how you see her, Lookout?

By the way, where did you read that she was still wanting to have another baby? Surely, that she'd been fitted with an IUD suggests otherwise. She couldn't whip it out like a Dutch cap, could she?

[lookout]

Another persona? She was smart, quick thinking, scheming, determined to get what she wanted, no matter the cost to others. Even managed to play sane so her drugs were reduced and she could carry out her plan to murder her family? Is that really how you see her, Lookout?

By the way, where did you read that she was still wanting to have another baby? Surely, that she'd been fitted with an IUD suggests otherwise. She couldn't whip it out like a Dutch cap, could she?

Sheila wasn't dumb by any stretch of the imagination. People are only commenting on the latter part of her life when her depression worsened, so naturally a certain amount of sympathy is called for. I put her in the same class of young women such as  the late Diana whose behaviour wasn't dissimilar in a way. A " second " mother---attachment disorder and the problems that follow that. A half-hearted marriage to take you out of a previous situation slap bang into another one only worse because there are children to consider. The rest being history for both.

Reading about her wish for another baby possibly came from Claire Powell's book, it was a long time ago but I also remember that it had been discussed on here too, so I wasn't the only one who'd seen it.
I imagine that she'd been strongly advised to have the IUD after giving birth to the twins which had proved difficult with spending a while in hospital prior to their births. Then after the hard time that she must have had, to be greeted by her mother with the words " clever girl "--------the agony !

[Jane]

Sheila wasn't dumb by any stretch of the imagination. People are only commenting on the latter part of her life when her depression worsened, so naturally a certain amount of sympathy is called for. I put her in the same class of young women such as  the late Diana whose behaviour wasn't dissimilar in a way. A " second " mother---attachment disorder and the problems that follow that. A half-hearted marriage to take you out of a previous situation slap bang into another one only worse because there are children to consider. The rest being history for both.

Reading about her wish for another baby possibly came from Claire Powell's book, it was a long time ago but I also remember that it had been discussed on here too, so I wasn't the only one who'd seen it.
I imagine that she'd been strongly advised to have the IUD after giving birth to the twins which had proved difficult with spending a while in hospital prior to their births. Then after the hard time that she must have had, to be greeted by her mother with the words " clever girl "--------the agony !

I can't disagree with much of what you say. Her desire for another child has been discussed here.

 Like many who've used inappropriate means of escaping a bad situation, she put herself in another. I agree that she was probably desperate to keep hold of Colin to the point where she'd have allowed herself to be constantly pregnant. Do you sometimes wonder if he may have found her neediness cloying and heavy? Might he have needed a woman he could have intelligent conversatios with, rather than one whose only interest was in the next baby?

If Sheila was hoping to win June's approval for giving her grandchildren, whilst June undoubtedly loved them, that Sheila was physically capable of conceiving and giving birth may had rubbed in June's face that she couldn't. One can almost hear the words "Whose a clever girl then" sticking in her throat. Something I feel certain she'd have hated herself for.

[lookout]

I can't disagree with much of what you say. Her desire for another child has been discussed here.

 Like many who've used inappropriate means of escaping a bad situation, she put herself in another. I agree that she was probably desperate to keep hold of Colin to the point where she'd have allowed herself to be constantly pregnant. Do you sometimes wonder if he may have found her neediness cloying and heavy? Might he have needed a woman he could have intelligent conversatios with, rather than one whose only interest was in the next baby?

If Sheila was hoping to win June's approval for giving her grandchildren, whilst June undoubtedly loved them, that Sheila was physically capable of conceiving and giving birth may had rubbed in June's face that she couldn't. One can almost hear the words "Whose a clever girl then" sticking in her throat. Something I feel certain she'd have hated herself for.

If I remember rightly, it did appear that it was Sheila who was constantly looking for work ? No mention of Colin doing any searching, but was quite happy to take handouts etc from the Bamber's. I also recollect that Jeremy had such a conversation too. Did he do a job of work while him and Sheila were together ? She apparently would have done everything for him but it wasn't reciprocated .

[JackieD]

Exactly. Neither should take the lion's share of blame. Okay, Colin COULD have used contraception but what's the betting that Sheila was desperate to become pregnant or she'd have taken precautions.

I don’t know what rough area you come from but it’s not normal to give women black eyes.  He should have been arrested, charged and sentenced

[JackieD]

She was counting her chickens if that was the case. He was no longer sharing her bed, but as a single woman she was wise to make sure she was protected. She can't have been unaware of how difficult had been her pregnancies, or how difficult was motherhood. Just a thought, it seems possible that both she and June may have wanted babies for entirely wrong reasons.

Jane or whatever you call yourself today forum hopping and making wild assumptions.
12 hours a day doing that how sad

[JackieD]

She was counting her chickens if that was the case. He was no longer sharing her bed, but as a single woman she was wise to make sure she was protected. She can't have been unaware of how difficult had been her pregnancies, or how difficult was motherhood. Just a thought, it seems possible that both she and June may have wanted babies for entirely wrong reasons.

Counting her chickens???
Sheila was always far too beautiful for Colin but his bullying and bad behaviour and violence must have taken every bit of her confidence.

It Colin hadn’t led her on she would never have committed suicide.  If Colin ever uses the media to make money again they should grill him about the lies