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Offline Steve_uk

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Thanks Disingenuous Steve.

If you could just post up a link to where I have acted as an apologist for murder, I'll be sure to explain or correct the remark, as necessary.

Could you also answer my question, Dodgy Steve? 

With reference to UK copyright law, on what legal basis do you use that photo as your avatar?  It's fine for the Forum to post it up, provided the use falls within the terms of fair dealing.  But using it as an avatar is not fair dealing.

Do you have Colin's permission?
These are just some of the posts I've picked out. By the way, whilst I was skim reading I counted five times you insulted members, you've also suggested that Colin was responsible for Sheila's schizophrenia as well as insinuating that Jeremy and Julie were in cahoots. Not to mention your own brand of humour, whilst falsely accusing me of satirizing paraplegia.

Dozy Jeremy shoots June five times and lets Nevill run away.

 Jeremy may have heard nothing, assumed the line was dead and tried calling again

After a while, Jeremy answers.  Nevill starts to speak to Jeremy.

If Jeremy was the killer, I can't make it work, mainly because I can't account for Sheila.

In Jeremy's case, his offending was narrowly-focused.  He is not a predator or a serial killer.

  I have something in common with Jeremy: a liking for inappropriate humour and a tendency towards teasing.

I'm not convinced by the inheritance motive anyway.  If I understand correctly, Jeremy was not inheriting investment bonds or some other genuine form of passive income.  ?


Remember she needed time for a shower too.  She's a busy gal.


Jeremy kills his entire family because he's a greedy boy.  Boo, hiss.  "He's behind you...!"

Is there a case to be made that Colin was a factor in Sheila developing schizophrenia? 

Even if Jeremy is guilty, hasn't he served his time?  Is it fair or humane to keep somebody locked up for decades?  Of course, as Colin Caffell rightly reminds us, mass murder is inhumane, but I think somebody ought to tactfully remind Colin that Jeremy has served virtually all his productive life in prison.  That's punishment.  What more can Jeremy give?

Jeremy is evil, greedy, he wanted a Porsche, blah, blah, blah.....You got it all from that Michael Winner drama, or was it that risible book by Carol Ann Lee?

Here's the problem I'm left with: the bullet casings are wrong in this scenario.  The only way I think we can make it fit and be consistent with D.I. Cook's findings is if we say that the twins were shot in three sessions, but why would Jeremy do that, it makes little sense, and is it consistent ballistically with what we find and what the pathologist opinionated?

The account given of things in that post also deepens my suspicions about Colin Caffell.  I've never taken to him.  I've always thought there is something a bit disingenuous about him.

Julie was a bit plain and it's surprising Jeremy - who is supposed to be a psychopath, according to Dr. Steve and various other lettered "experts" - decided on a relationship with her.

I notice you are studiously avoiding the problem of a lack of a blood trail from the main landing to the kitchen.  That's rather a serious hole in the prosecution case.  It could be resolved by saying that Sheila was the killer, but you would prefer not to do that.

Unless I am missing some key fact, I'm sorry to say at the moment it doesn't make sense.  Obviously there will always be problems and questions with any scenario, but this doesn't fundamentally hang together.  Worryingly, a coherent Sheila scenario is much easier to construct.

I differ from you about what happened in the kitchen.  I think Nevill struggles with her, the context of that being that Sheila has only actually fired the gun once up to that point, so we have him trying to wrestle the gun off her, but she is able to push him away and Nevill is killed in a fusillade.

I take the view that almost-all the evidence points to this, with the except of the recorded position of the bullet casings.

If that is too far-fetched, then consider what the Crown allege Jeremy did as it is: he entered a property and wiped out his own family, including two small boys, then left, and did all this without leaving any direct forensic evidence of the act.  He did it for money, they say.  In a way, that's far-fetched too.  Really, whether something is far-fetched or not often depends on one's point-of-view and how one interprets the evidence available.

However, as I accept happened here, they exaggerated Jeremy's behaviour and proceeded to blacken him.  This is typical of police officers, not because they are dishonest or corrupt, but because they're human and they are used to making snap judgements about people and will see things in a slanted way.  It's a trap we all fall into to an extent, actually.

Also, maybe he's done his time now?  Even if he is guilty, maybe we should accept that he's lost his life and allow him some freedom in his last years, as a gesture of magnanimity?

I'm 96% that Jeremy did it, but the criminal standard requires 99%.  On a good day, I'm at 98%, on a bad day, I'm 96%.  In other words, what I'm saying is that there is that small but important amount of doubt that means the whole thing doesn't quite hang together and make the mark.

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Speaking of avatars, I wondered whether my avatar might be uncomfortable for some people. I got it from David1819. The scenarios involving Sheila that were posted up yesterday painted a harrowing picture of what may have happened that night. I do envisage a desperate father / daughter struggle, where Nevill faces a terrible dilemna.  Anyway, I suppose we are going off topic.
I didn't read it that way Roch. Anyway after that nun avatar and its visual illusion of female genitalia it's all rather tame.
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These are just some of the posts I've picked out. By the way, whilst I was skim reading I counted five times you insulted members, you've also suggested that Colin was responsible for Sheila's schizophrenia as well as insinuating that Jeremy and Julie were in cahoots. Not to mention your own brand of humour, whilst falsely accusing me of satirizing paraplegia.

Dozy Jeremy shoots June five times and lets Nevill run away.

 Jeremy may have heard nothing, assumed the line was dead and tried calling again

After a while, Jeremy answers.  Nevill starts to speak to Jeremy.

If Jeremy was the killer, I can't make it work, mainly because I can't account for Sheila.

In Jeremy's case, his offending was narrowly-focused.  He is not a predator or a serial killer.

  I have something in common with Jeremy: a liking for inappropriate humour and a tendency towards teasing.

I'm not convinced by the inheritance motive anyway.  If I understand correctly, Jeremy was not inheriting investment bonds or some other genuine form of passive income.  ?


Remember she needed time for a shower too.  She's a busy gal.


Jeremy kills his entire family because he's a greedy boy.  Boo, hiss.  "He's behind you...!"

Is there a case to be made that Colin was a factor in Sheila developing schizophrenia? 

Even if Jeremy is guilty, hasn't he served his time?  Is it fair or humane to keep somebody locked up for decades?  Of course, as Colin Caffell rightly reminds us, mass murder is inhumane, but I think somebody ought to tactfully remind Colin that Jeremy has served virtually all his productive life in prison.  That's punishment.  What more can Jeremy give?

Jeremy is evil, greedy, he wanted a Porsche, blah, blah, blah.....You got it all from that Michael Winner drama, or was it that risible book by Carol Ann Lee?

Here's the problem I'm left with: the bullet casings are wrong in this scenario.  The only way I think we can make it fit and be consistent with D.I. Cook's findings is if we say that the twins were shot in three sessions, but why would Jeremy do that, it makes little sense, and is it consistent ballistically with what we find and what the pathologist opinionated?

The account given of things in that post also deepens my suspicions about Colin Caffell.  I've never taken to him.  I've always thought there is something a bit disingenuous about him.

Julie was a bit plain and it's surprising Jeremy - who is supposed to be a psychopath, according to Dr. Steve and various other lettered "experts" - decided on a relationship with her.

I notice you are studiously avoiding the problem of a lack of a blood trail from the main landing to the kitchen.  That's rather a serious hole in the prosecution case.  It could be resolved by saying that Sheila was the killer, but you would prefer not to do that.

Unless I am missing some key fact, I'm sorry to say at the moment it doesn't make sense.  Obviously there will always be problems and questions with any scenario, but this doesn't fundamentally hang together.  Worryingly, a coherent Sheila scenario is much easier to construct.

I differ from you about what happened in the kitchen.  I think Nevill struggles with her, the context of that being that Sheila has only actually fired the gun once up to that point, so we have him trying to wrestle the gun off her, but she is able to push him away and Nevill is killed in a fusillade.

I take the view that almost-all the evidence points to this, with the except of the recorded position of the bullet casings.

If that is too far-fetched, then consider what the Crown allege Jeremy did as it is: he entered a property and wiped out his own family, including two small boys, then left, and did all this without leaving any direct forensic evidence of the act.  He did it for money, they say.  In a way, that's far-fetched too.  Really, whether something is far-fetched or not often depends on one's point-of-view and how one interprets the evidence available.

However, as I accept happened here, they exaggerated Jeremy's behaviour and proceeded to blacken him.  This is typical of police officers, not because they are dishonest or corrupt, but because they're human and they are used to making snap judgements about people and will see things in a slanted way.  It's a trap we all fall into to an extent, actually.

Also, maybe he's done his time now?  Even if he is guilty, maybe we should accept that he's lost his life and allow him some freedom in his last years, as a gesture of magnanimity?

I'm 96% that Jeremy did it, but the criminal standard requires 99%.  On a good day, I'm at 98%, on a bad day, I'm 96%.  In other words, what I'm saying is that there is that small but important amount of doubt that means the whole thing doesn't quite hang together and make the mark.

But I don't see your point, Steve.  I've got no issue with your humour. The issue is that YOU take issue with humour while indulging in it yourself!!

Once again, Disingenuous Steve deliberately misses the point.

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I didn't read it that way Roch. Anyway after that nun avatar and its visual illusion of female genitalia it's all rather tame.

What?

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What?
Naughty Nun. She was banned. Before your time I think.

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But I don't see your point, Steve.  I've got no issue with your humour. The issue is that YOU take issue with humour while indulging in it yourself!!

Once again, Disingenuous Steve deliberately misses the point.
Well the point is I don't mind you speculating on the crime per se, which sometimes is entertaining. However I don't like the personal insults you hurl against myself and others, including Colin in this particular instance. Saying that Jeremy Bamber is not a predator is also in thoroughly bad taste.

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What?

Exactly.  What?  He thinks other people lack class.  Let's consider his own tastes.  He has the nerve to invoke the mote and beam parable too, ignoring the massive glaring plank in his own eye.

Putting murder victims in your avatar isn't tame or non-trivial, in my view.  It introduces an emotional dynamic into discussions that shouldn't be there.  It gives his posts a false air of authority and a false sense of association with the people involved, as if he speaks for them somehow in some sense. 

Besides which, I'm just not comfortable with it.  There's something false and mawkish about it. 

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Well the point is I don't mind you speculating on the crime per se, which sometimes is entertaining. However I don't like the personal insults you hurl against myself and others, including Colin in this particular instance. Saying that Jeremy Bamber is not a predator is also in thoroughly bad taste.

What........??

Your hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

I must concede, you deserve a medal for your almost psychopathic level of audacity.

Oh, and suggesting that Colin was a factor in Sheila's schizophrenia is not an insult towards him.  If I blamed him for it, that would be insulting potentially, but I'm not referring to blame.

And anyway, I didn't say he was a factor.  I just asked the question, you imbecile.

Have you bought that dictionary yet?

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Exactly.  What?  He thinks other people lack class.  Let's consider his own tastes.  He has the nerve to invoke the mote and beam parable too, ignoring the massive glaring plank in his own eye.

Putting murder victims in your avatar isn't tame or non-trivial, in my view.  It introduces an emotional dynamic into discussions that shouldn't be there.  It gives his posts a false air of authority and a false sense of association with the people involved, as if he speaks for them somehow in some sense. 

Besides which, I'm just not comfortable with it.  There's something false and mawkish about it.
That's one good reason for it to remain in situ then.

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That's one good reason for it to remain in situ then.

Another one for the archives....

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What........??

Your hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

I must concede, you deserve a medal for your almost psychopathic level of audacity.

Oh, and suggesting that Colin was a factor in Sheila's schizophrenia is not an insult towards him.  If I blamed him for it, that would be insulting potentially, but I'm not referring to blame.

Have you bought that dictionary yet?
Is Jeremy Bamber a predator? Yes or No.

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Is Jeremy Bamber a predator? Yes or No.

No.  I've already said No.  Would you like it by fax?

Whatever I say, you will interpret it in your own way, applying your own slanted, non-specialist, unscientific criteria to deciding what is a 'predator'.

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Naughty Nun. She was banned. Before your time I think.

She had an avatar depicting a vagina?   ??? lol

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No.  I've already said No. Would you like it by fax?

Whatever I say, you will interpret it in your own way, applying your own slanted, non-specialist, unscientific criteria to deciding what is a 'predator'.
So a man who creeps into a farmhouse in the dead of night, shoots his parents, leaves the brains of two six-year-old boys spattered on the bedhead behind then leads his sister to her demise like a lamb to the slaughter is not a predator?

Really I think a line has been crossed.

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So a man who creeps into a farmhouse in the dead of night, shoots his parents, leaves the brains of two six-year-old boys spattered on the bedhead behind then leads his sister to her demise like a lamb to the slaughter is not a predator?

Really I think a line has been crossed.

Yes, a man who commits that crime is not criminologically a predator - though, I suppose, it would depend on one's interpretation of the crime, why it was done, etc.

Disingenuous Steve will offer us his own stretched interpretation for things, I'm sure.

Others - those with real brains - might want to consider if a hypothetical guilty Sheila would, too, be branded a predator, for doing the exact same thing?

I don't expect an intelligent answer from Steve.  Maybe some thoughts from Loose Women will be coming our way.