What Happened In The Kitchen?

[Adam]

It is surprising that people think Nevill would dial 999 when Bamber was a few feet behind him in pursuit & had just shot him 4 times. It is a new theory.

How will dialling 999 help him?

Anyway, there is no evidence he did.



 

[Steve_uk]

It is surprising that people think Nevill would dial 999 when Bamber was a few feet behind him in pursuit & had just shot him 4 times. It is a new theory.

How will dialling 999 help him?

Anyway, there is no evidence he did.

To inform the outside world I suppose, though he would have had to turn his back on the attacker, if that's what you're getting at. I wonder how long the telephone had been absent from the master bedroom? It mustn't have been an immediate concern or the Bambers would have put one there from another room had they felt in imminent danger.

[Adam]

To inform the outside world I suppose, though he would have had to turn his back on the attacker, if that's what you're getting at. I wonder how long the telephone had been absent from the master bedroom? It mustn't have been an immediate concern or the Bambers would have put one there from another room had they felt in imminent danger.

Inform them of what? That his son is trying to kill everyone. That won't save Nevill or his family, who may still be alive.

There is no way Nevill could do this in around 5 seconds.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9971.msg455277.html#msg455277

Here is a breakdown of the kitchen fight.

[guest29835]

It is surprising that people think Nevill would dial 999 when Bamber was a few feet behind him in pursuit & had just shot him 4 times. It is a new theory.

How will dialling 999 help him?

Anyway, there is no evidence he did.

You slightly miss the point.  It's not so much whether he dials 999, it's the notion that he instinctively would go for the phone.  Probably if he did reach the phone and dial, he'd suddenly find he couldn't speak due to his injuries.

The time-and-motion thing is your assumption: I've outlined my issue with it above.  I can't reconcile how Jeremy catches up with him in the kitchen.  You claim Jeremy is only a few feet behind him, which to me leaves us with a paradox.

And actually, the theory of Nevill going for the phone is not new: I got the idea from people who think he is guilty.

[Adam]

It is correct that the phone was in the kitchen. Off the hook aa part of Bamber's staging.

I do not believe dialling 999 would be considered by Nevill. The massacre had started & Bamber was a few feet behind Nevill. So no time.

The police said they did not receive a 999 call from Nevill.

[Adam]

Bamber's priority was catching & killing Nevill after he got past him.

There was nothing keeping Bamber upstairs. The twins & June were negated after being shot 7 times and Sheila was sleeping.

The violent kitchen fight started less than 30 seconds after Nevill received his forth shot.

[Adam]

I do not believe there would be much of a blood trail from Nevill.

He was moving quickly down the stairs. So no time for blood to travel from his face & body onto the floor. He had been shot 4 times by a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

June left a blood trail as she crawled & died on the floor.

Were the hallway and stair carpets tested or disposed?

The bullet casing evidence shows Nevill was shot 4 times upstairs by Bamber. They both then went downstairs.

[maggie]

I do not believe there would be much of a blood trail from Nevill.

He was moving quickly down the stairs. So no time for blood to travel from his face & body onto the floor. He had been shot 4 times by a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

June left a blood trail as she crawled & died on the floor.

Were the hallway and stair carpets tested or disposed?

The bullet casing evidence shows Nevill was shot 4 times upstairs by Bamber. They both then went downstairs.

Have you any idea what impact being shot in the face 4 times would have on anyone?  The shock to the system would be massive and a person might even lose consciousness for a time.  The face and mouth bleed copiously therefore there is a strong possibility of considerable blood loss.  As for a fierce fight in the kitchen, it’s a wonder Nevill was still standing.  Your assumptions may be correct, Nevill may have somehow overcome his injuries to put up a fierce fight but surely you should consider the possibility that you are wrong.

[guest29835]

He had been shot 4 times by a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

It seems it was also used for shooting people.

[Adam]

57.

Five carpet samples taken from the main bedroom were examined and found to bear numerous spots of dripped blood. These were tested and found to match the blood groupings of June Bamber.

Wallpaper from the hallway to the left-hand side of the kitchen door was found, on examination, to be stained with human blood consistent with the blood grouping shared by Nevill Bamber and the twin boys. Since the boys seem to have been shot in their beds, it is a clear inference that this was Mr. Bamber's blood.

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It seems the hallway & stairs carpet was either -

Not tested & disposed.

Tested and no blood was found.

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Either way, Nevill was shot 4 times upstairs and then went to the kitchen.

[Adam]

From the COA. It seems the gun cupboard was in Nevill's office den -

Recovery of the sound moderator 73. On 10 August 1985 members of the family, who were far from convinced that Sheila Caffell had been responsible for the killings, went to White House Farm with the executor of the estate, Basil Cock. During the afternoon David Boutflour found the sound moderator together with the telescopic sights for the murder weapon at the back of the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. His father, his sister Ann Eaton, the executor and the farm secretary all witnessed the recovery.

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[guest29835]

Can we have from pro-guilt people a Jeremy-Nevill-June incident reconstruction for upstairs?  This should include gun shot and other wounds inflicted in this part of the incident and where these wounds are inflicted and how.

[Steve_uk]

Can we have from pro-guilt people a Jeremy-Nevill-June incident reconstruction for upstairs?  This should include gun shot and other wounds inflicted in this part of the incident and where these wounds are inflicted and how.

May I refer you to your #134:

Were you there? No, you weren't.  Sorry but I disagree!  And I'm entitled to form my own view.  You're not judge and jury. 

So we are supposed to guess, check Wikipedia, or what..

[Adam]

Can we have from pro-guilt people a Jeremy-Nevill-June incident reconstruction for upstairs?  This should include gun shot and other wounds inflicted in this part of the incident and where these wounds are inflicted and how.

Bamber entered the bedroom & shot June & Nevill 9 times.

Nevill got past Bamber & went downstairs.